Lazy-Fair picnic August 14th

2011 Lazy Fair!
Sunday, August 14th
Sponsored by Oregon Executive Club, Cascade Policy Institute
& Taxpayer Association of Oregon

Eagle Fern Park
(Eagle Fern Park is near Estacada – directions on reverse side)
11:00am – 4:00pm

“The must-be-there picnic for brilliant conversation, companionship and laughter with fellow lovers of liberty!”

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$20.00 adults $25.00 after Aug. 8th
$10.00 Children under 12

We will be serving BBQ chicken, Beef, smoked pulled pork, baked beans, potato salad, corn on the cob, coleslaw, pasta salad, dessert, beer, wine & soft drinks and water included

go to Area 2 the Big a Frame covered area

Send a check, and note on the names of those in your party payable to:
ARTICLE IV, Inc.
P.O. BOX 61, Gresham, OR 97030

“RSVP as soon as possible for the best price”
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Directions to Eagle Fern Park

Eagle Fern Park is located approximately
3 miles north of Estacada

Take Interstate 205 to Exit 12 Clackamas/Estacada,
Turn Right onto Hwy. 212/224.
Proceed 3.2 miles to the Hwy. 212/224 junction
Turn right onto Hwy. 224, follow signs to Estacada.
Proceed 10.4 miles and
Turn Left onto Wildcat Mountain Rd.
(sign reads Dover District/Eagle Fern Park.)
Go 2.0 miles to Eagle Fern Park Rd;
Turn Right. The park is located 2.3 miles on the
right-hand side of the road. Go to Area 2- the big A-Frame.

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Please send in this slip and a check, and note on the names of those in your party payable to:
ARTICLE IV, Inc.
P.O. BOX 61, Gresham OR, 97030

Lazy Fair reservation for: __________________________________

And Guest(s) _____________________________________________

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Send my Lazy Fair tickets to: ______________________________

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  • Founding Fathers

    Gotta love it. The anti-government crowd having an event at a public park.

    Awesome.

    • Steve Buckstein

      Yes, and we’re going to drive there on public roads also. So?

      • Founding Fathers

        So you routinely attack the commons, then use them when it suits you.

        Don’t you have any members with private land that would be suitable for your picnic? Isn’t that the libertarian way, not to force others to support one’s private endeavors?

        • Steve Buckstein

          I don’t force others to support my endeavors. If I could vote to privatize public parks I would. But that doesn’t mean that I shouldn’t use them like everyone else until we have a more enlightened view of the proper role of government.

          Me not using a public park is similar to you using private medical services (assuming you would like to see total government control of health care).

          • Founding Fathers

            Why do you believe that I want total government control of health care? Can you point to any prominent Americans who are advocating that?

            You do realize, don’t you, that a single-payer system is far from “total government control of health care”? It’s government run INSURANCE, not health care.

            I understand that it’s not always possible to live up to one’s principles, but surely there is some member of your group who has sufficient land for your gathering.

          • Founding Fathers

            It’s like an abortion opponent getting an abortion and saying “as long as abortion is legal, I might as well take advantage of it.”

        • 3H

          So nice.   Is this something that OC finds problematic, but not worth removing?  I’ve flagged similar postings, and nothing ever seems to be done.  

        • 3H

          So nice.   Is this something that OC finds problematic, but not worth removing?  I’ve flagged similar postings, and nothing ever seems to be done.  

        • 3H

          So nice.   Is this something that OC finds problematic, but not worth removing?  I’ve flagged similar postings, and nothing ever seems to be done.  

    • nativepdx

      I don’t know anyone that is anti government that will be attending this event.

      Most of the attendees support a smaller more affordable government that may let us live our own lives without micromanaging every thought and thing we do.

      Again we find someone that would like to tell us how we should think and act.

    • nativepdx

      I don’t know anyone that is anti government that will be attending this event.

      Most of the attendees support a smaller more affordable government that may let us live our own lives without micromanaging every thought and thing we do.

      Again we find someone that would like to tell us how we should think and act.

      • Founding Fathers

        My point is that maintaining a healthy commons benefits us all. Libertarians pooh-pooh the value of the commons, and deify private ownership. Yet here they are, taking advantage of the commons, and not having their little gathering on privately owned land. 

      • the real valley person

        I don’t know anyone who wants to micromanage your every thought and action, so that sentiment doesn’t distinguish you from the average liberal.  

        • NativePDX

          You and the founding father have been telling us how we should think about using a public park over a private park.

          That to me seems like you want to micromanage our thoughts on how we should have our picnic.

           It is always dangerous when you allow the individual, the freedom to choose.

          • the real valley person

            Of course you should be free to choose a private or public venue for your gathering. I’m all for the exercise of free choice that does not harm others directly or indirectly. I’m merely pointing out the irony in the free choice that you made.  It is contradictory to the often expressed tenets of your organizations.

            But hey, if you guys are coming around to appreciating public parks and the taxes needed to support them, that is all to the good. I say mazeltov.

          • Founding Fathers

            Apparently you don’t understand the concept of “hypocrisy”. It’s where your stated beliefs and your actions appear to be in conflict.

            I’m not telling anyone how to think, I’m pointing out that a group that routinely trashes the concept of a public good is taking advantage of a public good when it’s convenient for them.

            It’s not as though there aren’t individuals and companies with land that could have been used.  

          • NativePDX

            We are having a picnic and we will feel no hypocrisy having it in a public space, that many of us pay taxes to.

            Your points are pointless and we will have a great time.

  • the real valley person

    There are private parks available for rent.  Libertarians should practice what they preach and make use of the private sector, even if the quality is lower and/or cost to them higher.

     

    • Steve Buckstein

      Valley, I would think that you’d appreciate some hard-earned citizen coins being deposited into the Clackamas County coffers.

      • the real valley person

        I do appreciate it Steve. I’m glad you find our public County parks appealing enough to pay to rent them for events. I’m just looking out for your own interest here. I hate to see you miss an opportunity to vote with your money and make a statement.  And by the way, Eagle Fern has one of the best examples of an old growth forest in the entire County aside from protected federal lands. Its worth taking a walk through and comparing with adjacent private sector tree plantations.  

      • Founding Fathers

        So, Steve, you’re admitting that you can get better value for your money at a government-run facility than at a privately-run one.

        Thank you for destroying the libertarian thesis that the private sector always does things better than the public sector.

        • the real valley person

          That’s not fair. The private sector cut down all their old growth forests a long time ago.  

          • nativePDX

            We are having a picnic in a park among friends with common interests.

            You are nitpicking the reasons why we picked the park and what place you belive we should have picked instead.

            It is a simple old fashion picnic, not a political statement.

          • Founding Fathers

            Again, my point is that the “libertarians” are enjoying a public good, while they regularly deride the concept of a public good.

            You’ll notice that upthread, Steve Buckstein made an erroneous assumption about health care. Why would anyone support these ignorant hypocrites?

          • the real valley person

            I’m just saying that choosing that venue is counter to everything I have ever read or heard from the sponsors. I hope you have a great time in our taxpayer supported County park. Its a beautiful old growth forest setting that would have been logged over years ago had it not been for confiscating people’s money against their will in order to save and protect it.

            Have a great entirely apolitical event with your friends and families. I just ask that you pause for 5 or 10 seconds to consider the irony 

          • NativePDX

            You are nitpicking because you seem to believe we must be forced to pay for public spaces and not use them.

            There is no conflict of interest and we would probably pick this park, if the trees were only 50 years old.

            We are having a picnic, in a park and we will have a great time. We will not feel guilty about having our event in a public park.

            You can come an join us, if you like. Or not.

            You are free to choose.

          • Founding Fathers

            I will not join your gang of socialists.

          • NativePDX

            As I often told my children when they were young,
            simple and polite “no thank you ” is all that was needed.

          • the real valley person

            Thanks for the invite, but I’ll pass. What if the trees were zero years old, as in clearcut just before you showed up? You would still pay to picnic there?  If yes, you could have gotten a better deal a lot of other places.

          • NativePD

            You are creating straw men and all we want to do is to have a good time at a picnic.

            Again the reason for this event is to have a picnic, not to nitpick every aspect of why and where we should have the event.

            We have more important things to do, such as eating food and enjoying the event.

          • Founding Fathers

             “You are creating straw men and all we want to do is to have a good time at a picnic.”

            Right, and the reason that desirable place is easily available to you at an affordable rate is because we’ve paid to have public parks through our taxes.

            You hate “the commons”, yet here you are, enjoying the commons.

          • NativePDX

            founding father how do you sleep at night with all the hate in your heart.

            You are putting your words into my mouth and telling me your option, of what you believe is my opinion
            is.

            We will have a picnic in a park, we are doing it for fun and to be with friends while we eat good food.

             I know it must be hard for you to grasp.

          • Founding Fathers

            Not putting words in your mouth, just commenting on the views of the group that seems to hate “the government”, yet is availing themselves of a facility provided by the government.

          • NativePDX

            We (still) have the freedom to choose where to have our picnic.

            That can be scary for someone like you, who does not like our group choosing this park for our reasons.

            Somehow we will have a great time during the event and not even consider you hatred for our decision.

          • NativePDX

            We (still) have the freedom to choose where to have our picnic.

            That can be scary for someone like you, who does not like our group choosing this park for our reasons.

            Somehow we will have a great time during the event and not even consider you hatred for our decision.

          • the real valley person

            What straw men? Its not nitpicking to point out the irony of a bunch of anti-tax, anti-environment, anti-government people choosing a publicly owned old growth forest setting for their annual picnic.  

            But by all means enjoy the food. Will it be organic? Was it grown with federal assistance ? Was it inspected by the FDA? Just kidding.

          • NativePDX

            I was told the park was donated to the county, by a timber family.

            So maybe we need to thank that timber family, for the use of the park?

          • Founding Fathers

            “I was told the park was donated to the county, by a timber family.”

            Did you check to see there is any truth to this? There doesn’t seem to be any confirmation easily available on the internet.

            You do realize, don’t you, that “I was told” is not a reliable source.

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