Brad Avakian and Kurt Schrader failed to pay taxes

by NW Spotlight

Members of the pro-tax Democratic party do a better job of levying taxes on others than paying taxes themselves: Brad Avakian and Kurt Schrader both have histories of delinquent taxes.

Avakian’s Tax Problems

Brad Avakian is a Democratic candidate in the 1st Congressional District special election to replace David Wu. The Willamette Week recently reported that Avakian hasn’t always paid his taxes on time. In 2005, the IRS filed a $13,120 lien against Avakian for unpaid federal income taxes dating back to 2002.

Avakian also failed to pay his Washington County property taxes of about $4,000 in 2006. He paid them seven months late, along with $500 of interest charges.

Avakian’s history of failure to pay his own taxes casts a shadow of hypocrisy on his support of last year’s Measures 66 and 67 tax increases.

Schrader’s Tax Problems

At a town hall in Keizer last month, U.S. Rep. Kurt Schrader said Congress needs to raise tax collections by limiting or ending tax breaks. This is the same Kurt Schrader who has a history of not paying his own taxes. Roll Call is reporting that Schrader paid a small amount ($300) in delinquent D.C. property taxes last month. As Roll Call notes, this “by itself is (maybe) no big deal, but Schrader has something of a history on this issue.”

Roll Call references a 2005 AP story about Schrader’s previous tax problems: “Schrader racked up penalties 13 times from 1985 to 2005 on his Oregon farm and home. In fact, he paid no property taxes on his Oregon home from 1998 to 2001.”  “The Schraders ran into tax-paying problems again in 2003.”

In 2005 Schrader said “I assume we are no different than the average Oregonian” regarding his priortizing buying food over paying taxes.

Taxes Too High

Certainly most Oregonians would agree with Kurt Schrader’s statement; which is also why so many Oregonians would say our taxes are too high. If even staunch Democrats like Brad Avakian and Kurt Schrader are having so much trouble paying their taxes, then doesn’t that suggest that we’re paying too much in taxes? Should we really be forcing Oregonians to choose between buying food for their families and paying their taxes?

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  • Prof

    Tax cheats who belong in jail.

  • Rupert in Springfield

    $4,000 in property taxes seven months late accrues $500 in interest charges? That’s over 21% annual interest on a fully collateralized loan. Talk about obscene.

  • guest

    Might this issue be one of the irreconcilable differences attending the Schrader’s divorce proceedings?  Now Martha wants back on the Clackamas BCC.

    Oh, yippee, skippee – the following may indicate reasoning why?  Argh!   http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/index.ssf/2011/04/clackamas_county_compensation_board_preliminarily_recommends_salary_hikes_for_commissioners_treasure.html 

  • 3H

    You mean like those Family Values candidates who have had 2 or 3 wives?  Or the ones that owe back child support?  Is that what the Tea Party means by a return to liberty and small government?  The freedom to keep the government off of the backs of dead-beat dads?

    • guest

      Careful where you steep, 3H.
       http://wweek.com/portland/article-17619-the_cylvia_files.html
       

    • Rupert in Springfield

      >The freedom to keep the government off of the backs of dead-beat dads?

      In the realms of liberal thought there is no greater contradiction than that which states dead beat parents can be sued for payment, but dead beat ER patients are an impossible target. Would that they applied the same logic to both, their shrieks for single payer health care would immediately become void. Yet although the dead beat parent will likely owe substantially more than an ER patient the latter is considered untouchable. Only within the eye of the hurricane of illogic, that is liberal thought today, can such contradictions whirl about and be construed as coherent.

      • Rupert in Springfield

        PS – Yes Dean, we all are aware you will post the usual clamor of mystification as to how I got on dead beat dads vs ER patients, eventually feigning perplexity as to how dead beat parents came about. Got yer bases covered for you already, saving the drivel time. Thanks in advance.

        • 3H

          It’s not that you’ve saved anyone drivel time, it’s more like you’ve used it all up.  Kinda selfish don’t you think?

          • Rupert in Springfield

            > Kinda selfish don’t you think?

            Not really, gets Deans usual drivel point out of the way, over and done with. Just easier to state what he would ahead of him and save time.

          • 3H

            But I like Dean’s drivel point better than yours.  They are less drively.  And if you’re gonna drivel all over the place, why pick on Dean?  Is this another one of your “do as I say not as I do” moments?

      • 3H

        No greater contradition?  None?  Really?  How about no greater hyperbole from Rupert?

        Actually dead-beat ER patients are a problem.  They are a drain on the system and those of with means or insurance end up paying more.   The problem is two-fold: they don’t have insurance, so they really have no other option than to use the ER; and even when you find them they tend to be poor and have no resources to attach so they still can’t pay.   So here is where the strange Rupert logic comes in — ” Would that they applied the same logic to both, their shrieks for single payer health care would immediately become void.”   Would that we had single payer we would no longer have dead-beat ER patients, now would we.  Take a deep breath, think about it, it’ll come to you.

        Now, lets get back to Joe Walsh – a dead beat dad who has had the means, and has simply ducked his responsibility  to his own children.  Now, how low is that?   I understand the ER dead-beat much more than I do Joe Walsh.  But I guess in the world of Rupert skipping out on your hospital bill is worse than skipping out on your children?  If that is representative of conservatives, I pity the nation.

        • Rupert in Springfield

          >Actually dead-beat ER patients are a problem.

          And actually I already said they were a problem. Which is, actually, why I brought them up. So you restating that they are a problem as if you brought it up is actually silly.

          >The problem is two-fold: they don’t have insurance, so they really have
          no other option than to use the ER; and even when you find them they
          tend to be poor and have no resources to attach so they still can’t pay.

          Which is, actually, the problem with many dead beat parents as well.

          Actually we generally solve this problem by garnishing wages in the case of dead beat parents. Rarely are assets attached. Happens to plenty of kids straight out of high school. Actually happened to my neighbors kid.

          >Would that we had single payer we would no longer have dead-beat ER patients, now would we.

          Sorry – If you maintain it is possible to go after a dead beat parent but not a dead beat ER patient, because somehow being an ER patient means you are magically poor and unemployed, but being a parent means you are magically rich and have assets, you have just blown any pretense to logic out the door. Actually.

          • 3H

            Good God Rupert, you don’t even what read you, yourself, wrote.   I didn’t say my point was original, nor did I claim that you hadn’t said it.  I was responding to your comment, “… but dead beat ER patients are an impossible target [refering to liberal thought].”  Get it now?   I wasn’t repeating the point for the sake of repeating it.  I’m a liberal so….  oh never mind, you evidently don’t read for context or comprehension.  Not when you can drivel out some inane comment instead. 

            Lets say that both our dead-beat dad and dead-beat ER patient have the money to pay their bills and don’t.  I’d still argue that the dead-beat dad is worse than the ER patient.  Why?  Because the dead-beat Dad is not taking care of his own children.   The dead-beat ER patient is stiffing a hospital.   All things being equal, the dead-beat dad is still worse than the dead-beat ER patient.   Do I need to explain to you why?   Why it’s worse to not take care of your OWN children than it is to not pay a hospital?  I see a qualitative difference.  Don’t you?

            By the way, hospitals turn over unpaid bills to bill collectors, who will garnish your wages.  And, I never said you couldn’t go after a dead-beat ER patient (I said that when they do, frequently there is not money to be had).   Nor did I claim that all dead-beat dads can make their obligations.  I was saying that Joe Walsh could, and didn’t.   Can you see the difference?  I’m also willing to bet, proportionally speaking, that there are a far greater number of dead-beat dads who can pay but won’t then there are dead-beat ER patients who can pay but wont.   

            If it’s easier for you, we can meet and I’ll open a response window and let you type what you want me to say in it.   That will make more sense then you trying to stuff words into my mouth.  Well, in your case, trying to stuff drivel into my mouth.

            Drivel on baby!

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, those Tea Party guys did it too so that makes it alright for Avakian and Schrader. What hypocrisy.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, those Tea Party guys did it too so that makes it alright for Avakian and Schrader. What hypocrisy.

      • 3H

        LOL.. did I say that Joel?  At all?  But wait, since facts don’t matter to you, I guess it really doesn’t matter that I didn’t say that.  You’ll just pretend that I did, and, presto-chango, it’s true.   That’s how your people roll.

        Maybe, just maybe, and I know this is a stretch for you, I was being sarcastic and pointing out that inconsistency in word and deed spans the political spectrum.  I know, Joel, this requires you to stretch your mind and give up your preconceived notions about liberals.  I suspect you will fail but you will get partial credit for the effort… if you make one.

        • Anonymous

          Oh no, it’s clear what you were saying. Sure, now that you realize how foolish you came off you try to say it was all in fun…but, sorry, it was apparent what you were up to.

          • 3H

            Of course it is Joel..   because you say so.   You are just a fact-factory.

          • Anonymous

            Don’t worry 3H…I’m laughing.

  • 3H

    You mean like those Family Values candidates who have had 2 or 3 wives? Or the ones that owe back child support? Is that what the Tea Party means by a return to liberty and small government? The freedom to keep the government off of the backs of dead-beat dads?

  • T1away

    These people make laws that prevent the average person from having homes on their properties, lets not forget the dirt is worth more then the people and they have odasity to not pay their taxes.  How sad.

  • the real valley person

    There is a difference between not paying on time and not paying, or cheating. It sounds like both have been fully compliant with the law, albeit late. 

    • Teacherboy

      Late is not fully compliant.

    • Anonymous

      Avakian and Schrader both make a big deal out of increasing taxes, it is just plain wrong for them to demand taxes from everyone while not paying them themselves. It matters not when they paid the taxes. They said we all have the responsibility to pay taxes and that particularly includes them.

      • valley person

        They did pay them. 

        • Anonymous

          Yes, they paid their taxes but in some cases the taxes were years past due and in at least one case legal action was necessary to collect them. Not exactly what we should be getting from pro-tax, pro-spend legislators.

          VP, you’re in deep water here trying to defend these guys and their less than stellar performance on paying their taxes. Why don’t you just admit these guys are criminals and have it done with.

          • valley person

            Probably because they are not “criminals.” They paid their taxes late. Its not a crime, and neither was accused or convicted of anything as far as I can see.

            I had an experience nearly 30 years ago when I was flat broke and owed the government taxes on my business. I went down, plead my case, and was put on a repayment plan that I could not manage because I lacked enough income. This was during the Reagan recession of the early 1980s. Eventually the economy and I  recovered and paid everything I owed plus penalties and interest.

            Given my experience I’m not as quick to cast stones at others for falling behind. It happens. 

          • Anonymous

            Too bad about your taxes 30 years ago…but what you did…and Avakian didn’t…is go to the taxman and make a deal. Avakian didn’t pay his federal income taxes and was sued by the IRS. Big difference. That makes Avakian a criminal in my book.

            I’ve had instances where I owed and dined on Ramen Noodles as the result. I don’t like taxes…especially the high taxes that people like Avakian think we should pay but he shouldn’t…but I’ve always managed to write the check when it was due. Avakian can’t say the same thing…he can’t even say he went to the taxman with his story and made a deal. He just didn’t pay…until he got sued.

          • valley person

            Well, neither of us has detailed knowledge of what happened in his case. If you want to cast stones feel free. Just don’t ask me to do so.  

            I don’t think the issue of some people being unable or unwilling to pay what they owe is relevant to how much we should or shouldn’t be taxed. If we want government to perform certain services, that costs money. It has to come from somewhere. If we want or can get by on fewer government services, then and only then should taxes be lowered to cover that amount.  

            My argument with “conservatives” is that they seem to separate taxation from services. They cut taxes whenever they get a chance (unless Obmama proposes tax cuts, which they of course oppose,) but refuse to cut services and even expand them (military spending, wars, Medicaid Part D) when they are in power.  Its anything but conservative. Its reckless. 

          • Anonymous

            What we do have detailed knowledge of is that the IRS sued Avakian for non-payment. That is an indisputable fact and when the IRS gets around to suing you it’s because you’re trying to cheat on your taxes.

            The point is…and this is very simple…Avakian and Schrader have both supported higher taxes, yet when it came to paying their taxes they shined it…to the point that Avakian had to be sued for collection. The point of the article is that if they are going to demand higher taxes in general, they damn well better be paying their taxes when they are due.

            Now, do you get it?

          • valley person

            Its quite possible that Avakian believed he owed less than the IRS believed. Disputes over which deductions are legitimate and which are not are common. In most cases, there is a settlement. Maybe that is what Avakian was going for. I don’t know. I don’t even really care.  Its just not my business.

            Of course I “get it.” The point is not what they did or didn’t do, the point is to use their cases as examples to get at what is really important to you, low taxes. 

          • Anonymous

            Avakian didn’t just overlook the taxes or feel that he didn’t owe them…the IRS had to go after him. Do you understand what that means?

            Besides which, if you’re going to tell other people they need to pay more taxes then you better be paying your own taxes and not quibbling over the details.

          • the real valley person

            It could mean they disagreed on how much he owed, or it could mean there was no disagreement but he missed one or more payments.

            Quibbling over the details?   I think that is what you are doing here.

          • Anonymous

            Or it means he didn’t pay what he owed and hoped to skate…but he got caught. Regardless, my contention stands…if you’re going to vote for more taxes for  everyone then you’d better be paying your taxes. Avakian, for whatever reason, didn’t pay his taxes. Can you wrap yourself around that simple fact? Or are you gong to continue making excuses because Avakian is your boy?

    • Anonymous

      Avakian and Schrader both make a big deal out of increasing taxes, it is just plain wrong for them to demand taxes from everyone while not paying them themselves. It matters not when they paid the taxes. They said we all have the responsibility to pay taxes and that particularly includes them.

  • Ray407

    The problem with most politicians, is they feel they are better than the average Joe or Jane out here struggling to make ends meet. Politicians think they shouldn’t have to obey the laws they make, and that they shouldn’t have to pay taxes, because they are doing us a great big favor by serving us. America would be better off without these scum bags in washington, breaking the law and getting by with it. it is time we the people take our country back and change they way this country is governed. BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE, AND EVERYONE FOLLOWS THE LAW EVEN POLITICIANS.

  • www.brodheadForCongress.com

    hmmmm. Just closed on our 11th rental property. We pay $30,000 a year in property taxes, $7,500 a year in home insurance, and $12,000 a year in health insurance. Over the last 20 years and a $million in loans, I have never been late one one single mortgage payment, property tax or bill.

    Now unless we can defund Obamcare, Americans that have a health insurance policy of $10,600 will pay “Now get this” $4000 in taxes.

    Avakian, Witt and Bonamici are the type of people who will vote to tax Americans into ruin. Here is just a little from “The Affordable taxation Act”

    Total new tax revenue from the Act will amount to $409.2 billion over the next 10 years. $78 billion will be realized before the end of fiscal 2014.[32] Summary of revenue sources:
    Broaden Medicare tax base for high-income taxpayers: $210.2 billionAnnual fee on health insurance providers: $60 billion40% excise tax on health coverage in excess of $10,200/$27,500: $32 billionImpose annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs: $27 billionImpose 2.3% excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices: $20 billionRequire information reporting on payments to corporations: $17.1 billionRaise 7.5% Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction to 10%: 15.2 billionLimit health flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans: $13 billionAll other revenue sources: $14.9 billion

     

  • Marvin McConoughey

    I assume that Mr. Schrader is far different from the average Oregonian of whom a majority, DOR statistics show, pay their taxes on time.  It is phony baloney for Mr. Shrader to equate his failure to pay as a choice between paying taxes and eating.  If indeed he were so bad a money manager, then he should most certainly not be exposed to the myriad temptations of a career in the U.S. congress.

  • Marvin McConoughey

    I assume that Mr. Schrader is far different from the average Oregonian of whom a majority, DOR statistics show, pay their taxes on time.  It is phony baloney for Mr. Shrader to equate his failure to pay as a choice between paying taxes and eating.  If indeed he were so bad a money manager, then he should most certainly not be exposed to the myriad temptations of a career in the U.S. congress.

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