Sen. John Kerry: We cut $550 billion from Medicare

by NW Spotlight

Rob Cornilles, running in the special election to replace David Wu in Congress, calls out his opponent for supporting $500 billion in cuts to Medicare

At his general election campaign kickoff, Rob Cornilles called out his opponent for supporting the Affordable Care Act (aka “Obamacare”), with its $500 billion cut to Medicare: “Senator Bonamici says she supports the $500 billion cut to Medicare passed last year, which will come largely out of a program called Medicare Advantage.”

The very biased PolitiFact1 at the Oregonian and the Democratic Party of Oregon2 jumped to Bonamici’s defense. After admitting that “The Affordable Care Act does reduce Medicare spending by $500 billion”, PolitiFact went on to rate Rob Cornilles’ statement as false, after further acknowledging that the Oregonian itself had written about the $500 billion cut to Medicare back in July 2009.

Well, in addition to the Oregonian’s 2009 article, Rob Cornilles got support from an unlikely source: Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), the 2004 Democratic candidate for President. An article that ran recently on Newsmax mentioned Kerry’s remarks in the Sunday talk shows: “Sen. John Kerry, [Sen. Jon] Kyl’s Democratic counterpart on the supercommittee, tried to rebut that assertion from the senator from Arizona by claiming that Democrats cut $550 billion from Medicare in Obamacare without raising taxes.”

Sen. Kerry can be seen stating that “We Cut $550 Billion In The Health Care Act From Medicare” on Meet The Press, and stating that “We just cut $550 billion out of Medicare during the Health Care reform Act” in an interview on Fox.

Other sources:

1Politifact
2Democratic Party of Oregon

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  • Bob Clark

    The Oregonian’s Politifact is a joke.  First, ratings between false and true are totally the subjective choice of the Oregonian editor.  Second, the Oregonian subjectively chooses what it rates, and what it doesn’t.

    Moreover, the Oregonian’s Politifact sometimes includes the intent of the statesperson and sometimes not, bringing more subjectivity into it.

  • valley person

    Reality has a left wing bias. 

  • Rupert in Springfield

    The $500B (or whatever the number of the day is) from Medicare is kind of ridiculous. First of all its a cut in the future, so until it actually has occurred they haven’t cut anything. Second almost half the cuts are simply reducing annual increases to health care providers that they would otherwise have received. In other words, half the cuts are baseline budgeting tricks.

    It’s really something of an unarguable issue. No Democrat wants to walk into an election having actually cut Medicare in any substantial way. When you have the cuts done in such a way that they can be either a cut, or not exactly a cut, depending on the audience then it becomes an impossible issue to rationally argue.

    If half your cuts are in future reimbursement rates to providers, does the average senior see that as a cut? Probably not. What do they care who gets paid what so long as they get their freebie?

    Yet at the same time on an accounting basis you can claim a cut as only government can – we wanted to spend this, but we spend less than what we wanted to so that’s a cut.

    There simply is no absolute truth one way or the other. Personally I don’t see a cut in the rate of growth as actually a cut. However I can see how some could argue it is.

    • valley person

      Cuts are made to future spending because its kind of hard to cut past spending Rupert. And present spending, since its already allocated, is also a bit late to cut.

      Obamacare, which built in these cuts primarily to the providers of extra benefits offered through Medicare Advantage, was vilified by the Tea Party for “cutting Medicare.” And these lies helped elect your guys last fall. Cornilles is just trying the same trick from the playbook.

      There may not be an absolute truth, but there is an objective reality. The Medicare  cuts are built into the Obamacare bill, and unless Congress overturns or changes that bill, which Cornilles and the Republican Party want to do, those cuts will happen on schedule. Meaning I suppose that the Tea Party is not so serious about deficit reduction after all.

      • Rupert in Springfield

        >And present spending, since its already allocated, is also a bit late to cut.

        So you are telling me if congress woke up tomorrow, and the president agreed, it would be impossible to eliminate the dept of agriculture the next day because the money had been allocated?

        Nonsense!

        Strategy suggestion – Topic shift to talk about the merits of keeping or eliminating the agriculture department.

        >Obamacare, which built in these cuts primarily to the providers of extra
        benefits offered through Medicare Advantage, was vilified by the Tea
        Party for “cutting Medicare.”

        Oh please, like if Republicans hadn’t built the exact same cuts into a bill you guys wouldn’t have crucified them for it.

        >And these lies helped elect your guys last fall.

        The cuts were lies? Say what? You will contradict yourself in the next paragraph. I am loving this.

        >There may not be an absolute truth, but there is an objective reality. The Medicare  cuts are built into the Obamacare bill

        Bingo – so much for the lies nonsense.

        >and unless Congress overturns or changes that bill, which Cornilles and
        the Republican Party want to do, those cuts will happen on schedule.

        Actually I think most people want to eliminate the bill. No matter, one congress cannot bind over another so the question is somewhat moot.

        >Meaning I suppose that the Tea Party is not so serious about deficit reduction after all.

        Considering the massive debt you guys have run up I would argue a bag of Cheetos is more serious about cutting the deficit than Democrats.

        After all it was Barney Frank who said famously upon the Obama election “I think we need to forget about the deficit for a while.

        • valley person

          Yes, I suppose they could pass a bil to eliminate it, and theoretically the president could sign that bill. However, eliminating a department does not eliminate all or even most current costs. Think about it.

          Yes, Democrats, who created Medicare and defend it, would have vilified Republicans. But then Democrats aren’t the ones advocating cutting government. I would think the Republicans would have thanked the Democrats for saving half a trillion, but no.

          The story your party told about the cuts was a lie. They pretended the cuts were from benefits, which they were not. Don’t play coy here dude. You know perfectly well what happened. There were no benefit cuts. There were provider cuts, many of which were agreed to by the providers (hospitals and doctors) who backed the bill.

          The question is not moot. If Cornilles was being honest, he would say he was for repealing the bill, and that this would eliminate half a trillion in Medicare savings.

          The debt was run up by democrats? Right. How much of the current debt do you think was accumulated under Republican presents Rupert, and how much by Democrats.

          Warning, look before you leap.

          If Barney Frank said that he was right. When you have a severe recession, you run deficits. Basic Keynes. Even Bush knew this and left office with a $1.3 trillion 2009 deficit. What Bush forgot was that in good times you shouldn’t run deficits. But in this he was no diferent than Reagan.  

           

  • Tom Joad

    Who wrote this? Was it the hairy almost 30 year old writing from his mom’s basement?  Reads like it was written by a 4th grader.

    • jist

      Zounds like a hoary Joad croaking for date in the middle of the
      Banfield @ 30th during the afternoon rush hour.

  • Ladywriter

    Please don’t cut these valuable programs. I am hoping to get free lipo, as I have gained a bit of weight using my free food stamps.

    • None

      Sorry, but they don’t do lipo on people’s brains.

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