Lars Larson…on a cross-dressing kid

Let me tell you a tale about a cross-dressing kid.

A kid goes to school. He undresses unusually. Wears makeup, dresses like a girl. His parents don’t stop it. He doesn’t stop it. He’s fifteen years of age.

And then, one day, a young man in his school, shoots this young man to death. The murderer ought to be punished and the parents are angry because their son has been murdered and that’s wrong.

But now, the parents are taking it out on the school district. They’ve decided to sue the school district saying that if only the school district had controlled what this child wore to school, why, he’d still be alive.

That’s an abdication of the responsibility of parents. Now, because their son was fifteen he probably made a lot of his own decisions about what to wear and how to act and that is his business. But, it is also the business of parents to decide how your child goes out the door dressed for school until he’s 18 years of age and has turned into an adult. And, no lawsuit should be filed against the school district for that.

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  • Joanne Rigutto

    I gotta go with Lars on this one. If the parents want to sue anyone, it should be the parents of the kid who did the killing, not necessarily the school district.

  • dian

    Joanne that would be too easy, we have been taught for years that it’s always somebody else’s fault. I don’t even think they should sue the parents of the kid who did the killing. Lars is right, how that child went out the door was their responsibility. That wouldn’t change the basic problem, but might have saved his life.

    • Joanne Rigutto

      I agree with you that the parent’s of the kid who was killed were responsible for how the kid was dressed.

      The point I was making was that if the parents of that kid were going to sue anyone, it’s the parent’s of the kid who did the killing who should be sued, as they, more than anyone else, other than the killer himself, who were responsible for that individual’s behavior.

      I don’t know how old the killer was when he did the killing, and certainly, the older a person is, the less influence a person’s parents have on their behavior. Even so, the parent’s are still resposible for that minor’s behavior, legally, untill untill the minor is 18. So logically, it should be those parents who are legally and civilly responsible for their child’s behavior.

      The one caveat I would accept, is that if the school/school district was aware of threats made to the victim by the perpertrator and they did nothing to mitigate the danger to the victim, then I could see come culpability on the part of the school district for the killing, and therefore a basis for a civil lawsuit on the part of the deceased’s parents. However, if the deceasesd’s parents knew about what was going on at school, then they should have taken steps to protect their child from harm, be that pulling the kid from school, forcing the kid to wear clothing that was more acceptable to his classmates, engaging in behavior that would have made him less of a target, etc.

      • dian

        I remember reading about it and it seems like the boy that did the shooting was a school mate. That is if this is the same one. Actually if it is, nobody did anything about any of it. Kind of an its not my problem thing.

  • Joanne Rigutto

    If that’s the case, then it’s a tragedy all the way around. Both kids were failed by both their parents and the system…..

  • Jerry

    The parents are entirely and completely to blame. 100%
    The system has nothing to do with anything.
    There is no village here – just idiot parents who completely abdicated their responsibility.
    I hope they don’t have any other children.

  • Rupert in Springfield

    The parents were to blame? For what? Are we now under some sort of system where you should assume someone will shoot you if they don’t like how you dress?

    Fine, I hate sports. I have a feeling this kid in the makeup hated sports. My hatred of sports fanatics is well known to my peers and I would wager the same was true of this kid. I hate sports bars and I hate the loud obnoxious drones who tend to inhabit them. I cant stand people who cannot have a conversation of any depth unless it involves glandular anomalies throwing around a spheroid.

    So, if I see you in sports team wear, am I allowed to shoot you and blame it on your parents for letting you out of the house like that?

    Would this kid have been allowed to shoot anyone in a football jersey and blame it on the parents for letting them out of the house in clothing guaranteed to threaten or infuriate him?

    Only one person bears the blame here, the kid who did the shooting. Suing the school? Idiocy.

    Shooting someone often is not the solution. However sometimes it is a valid option.

    Was it right of this kid to shoot his classmate for dressing different?

    Of course not.

    Would it be right to shoot this kid as punishment?

    Maybe

    Would it be right of others in the community to shoot these parents?

    Probably.

    • dian

      You know parents do need to be held accountable. I know some children just don’t make the grade and no matter what the parents do, they just don’t come around. But I see so many parents who would rather put the responsibility on the schools, government and the neighbors than to do any thing to make the child grow up as a responsible child, teen, adult.

      To that degree I blame us the people of this country who are so concerned with “The Children” they never teach them how to behave. Heaven forbid they should have a job. They might enjoy it.

      Given the response of the shooters parents, they never once, I’m willing to bet, considered they might have been part of the problem.

      This is a tragedy. It was a tragedy the child who cross dressed was allowed to do so. Maybe he would have as an adult any way, but maybe not. The child who shot him is just as much lost.

      Have you paid any attention to some of the bloggers, who are entering their comments. Taking aside the boredom from reading what they have to say, note the blindness, note the violent attitude, note the hatred. This is what these kids like the dead one and the one that might as well be, are being faced with. We have become such an intolerent people. With our attitudes we create children like these.

      • Rupert in Springfield

        Hold which set of parents accountable for what exactly?

        Why was it a tragedy a child was allowed to cross dress? Is it an equal tragedy to allow a girl to act in a tom boy fashion?

        I don’t understand the logic here, are we saying it is perfectly ok to shoot someone if you don’t like how they dress?

        I have absolutely no understanding how anyone puts any blame for this on anyone but the shooter.

        Why in the world should there be any assumption whatsoever that the parents have some sort of duty to make their child not cross dress?

        Should those same parents make sure that if their white daughter goes out with a black boy that they don’t hold hands in public? People have been killed for that before. Of course mixed race couples should know better than to hold hands in public.

        What about rape? If a woman is dressed in a way one would consider provocative, is the rape her fault? If your daughter is raped, should she accept some responsibility for wearing tight jeans?

        How about Che shirts? Shouldn’t a kid wearing a T shirt of the photogenic murderous thug expect to get smacked around?

        I think that this whole attitude that somehow it is the child’s fault for cross-dressing, or the parents fault for allowing it is absurd and poisonous. I also think that anyone who thinks this boy brought it on himself needs to start dressing herself, or his wife in a burqua. Start walking the walk if you are going to talk the talk. If one should expect to get shot for cross dressing, then boy you sure as hell had better accept rape for too high a hemline.

        • dian

          Hold which set of parents accountable for what exactly? Both

          Why was it a tragedy a child was allowed to cross dress? Is it an equal tragedy to allow a girl to act in a tom boy fashion? Good point.

          Why in the world should there be any assumption whatsoever that the parents have some sort of duty to make their child not cross dress? It isn’t necessarily the cross dressing but the actions of their child. After all it is theirs, not mine.

          What about rape? If a woman is dressed in a way one would consider provocative, is the rape her fault? If your daughter is raped, should she accept some responsibility for wearing tight jeans?
          Well if I go out half undressed, I can tell you because of my gender. When I was younger and dressed in tight jeans, short shorts, short skirts, low necks tight clothing, my purpose was to look nice, of course, but to be seen. Only at that time of my life I wasn’t bright enough to realize that anybody would think anything different than I did. I see girls coming in the store wearing clothing that should be confined to their bedrooms. Yes they are as much at fault as the rapist.

          • John L.

            Dian said: Yes they are as much at fault as the rapist.

            Umm… ok. Could you do me a favor? Could you serve as a self-appointed Republican spokesperson and go around explaining your view of “personal responsibility” to people?

            Because you just gave me a FANTASTIC talking point. Anytime I’m in a discussion with an undcided voter and the issue of “responsibility” comes up, I am going to reference this thread, and mention how Lars Larson’s idea of “personal responsibility” means not dressing in a way that a criminal would disapprove of… and that the rank-and-file believes that women who get raped were probably “asking for it” and are just as much at fault as their rapist.

            The next time conservatives wave he “tough on crime” banner, I’m going to laugh, because apparently this means getting tough on rape victims as well as rapists… and running one’s fashion decisions by murderers for their approval.

            Nice.

  • JessseO

    Oh. My. GOD!

    I agree with Lars.

    Now looking out the windows for flying pigs.

  • Tim Lyman

    The parents of the kid who got shot share equal blame with the shooter.

    We all know that if you act different in school you will be teased. It has been that way since the beginning of time and will be that way until its end. All the social engineering in the world will not change this.

    Children are only half civilized and can be incredibly cruel – especially in high school.

    Letting this kid cross dress was just putting a target on him. A parent’s primary responsibility is to protect their children, and this often means not letting them do something they desperaely want to do.

    This poor kid’s parents are idiots.

  • 1

    sue the churches

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