Allen Alley video using nothing but Westlunds words

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  • Walter

    So? Ben Westlund thinks that Allen can carry out investment instructions. This has never been in doubt.

    It doesn’t say anything about the actual decisions that the State Treasurer and other members of the Investment Council have to make.

    • Dylan Amo

      Seriously Walter!?!? You’ve gotta be kidding me.

      Thank you for totting the Westlund line. These paper tigers are always entertaining.

      Ben doesn’t suggest that Allen follows instructions better. (I think we’d all agree that Ben is in fact the yes man in this match up.) Rather Ben suggests (in the second clip) that Allen is the better steward of the investments. It’s damning because it closes the door to his camp’s (the DPO’s blog) ridiculous arguments on Allen’s business experience. And this statement was made before the DC financial crisis …

      One of my favorite lines from the WW Endorsement interview is at the 22 minute mark when the WW board say…

      “We’ve got two guys who claim business backgrounds. Very Different Business Backgrounds. Different in the sense that the company that Allen ran was much larger. It’s a high tech business. It’s an international business. A business in which he made capital finance decisions. Personnel decisions. Overseeing a legal staff. Yours were two “interesting” entrepreneurial businesses. Much smaller. But not nearly the level of complicity or the amount of money or the amount of management of a large organization. So .. if you just saying who has got more business experience And who is more able to look at large amounts of money and complicated decisions. You would say that he say he has far more relevant experience.”

      BLAM!

      Now … if you want look at the actual investment decisions that they would make as a Treasurer and voice on the Investment Council. I would suggest that you listen to the dialogue at the end of the interview when even WW knew that Ben’s investments were in bubble investments that would fail.

      Ben might be qualified to work at the Spokesperson for the Treasurer’s office but he isn’t ready to manage. Even Ben realizes that.

      • John L.

        Dylan, I listened to the whole thing. Westlund’s comments are so out of context in this video it’s ridiculous.

        As for what the WW ed board said, well they’re free to say whatever they want. (Westlund then reminded them that he oversaw a $11-billion budget as Ways and Means Chair.)

        The MOST telling thing though in the interview was when Alley refused to commit to serving a full term in the Treasurer’s office. It’s obvious from Alley’s performances that YOU are taking this race more seriously than Alley is.

        • Dylan Amo

          It’s not out of context. The full quote talks about Ben’s perception of the duties of the Treasurers office. Yes … Ben does talk about other duties but he clearly states that the management of the investments is THE most important role for the office. AND that Allen is the most qualified.

          Clearly Ben has more tangible legislative experience than Allen’s experience in the Governor’s office. But even Ben admits that this isn’t the MOST important role for the office. He can play up his role as a spokesperson/lobbyist if he wants … but I want a Treasurer.

          • Walter

            That’s ridiculous, Dylan.

            That’s like saying that if the engine is the most important part of a car, then it’s fine to drive around in a car without any tires.

            Come on, no one REALLY thinks Westlund is endorsing Alley for the job, so what we have here is Allen Alley either:

            1) Too stupid to understand that (which I don’t think is the case because he is apparently a smart guy), or
            2) Intentionally taking this quip out of context.

          • Dylan Amo

            No Walter …

            Your analogy sucks because it presents no REAL choice. Clearly both the tires and the engine are equally important to the car. One will not work without the other.

            Here is a better example … a family is choosing which school to send they child. Do they send their child to the neighborhood school? Or do they send their child to the school that posts better academic results? To this family … academic results is the more important value so they choose the school with a higher academic standing.

            Hey … don’t blame me … or Allen. Blame Westlund. Not only did he say that investments is job one. But he then articulated why investments is more important that other values. Because without that 8 % nut … you don’t get money for current government services OR future projects (beyond the scope of the Treasurer’s role) that Ben would like to cheer lead for. Just like the family choosing higher academic standards … Ben (and i) want the best manager of our states financial resources.

            Ben clearly isn’t intellectually consistent … and he got called on it!

          • John L.

            Dylan –

            So? Westlund didn’t say anything that suggested that Allen Alley would be a better investor than him; he said that Allen would be good enough to serve in the investment division. That bar is set lower than to serve as State Treasurer, no?

            Listening to the whole thing again, it sounds like Westlund was making a snide insult, as in “Once I’m Treasurer, you can apply to me for a job.” Maybe Alley is too thick to get that.

            My favorite part of the interview, though, is when Alley refuses to commit to serve out a full term. (Compared to his previous corporate strategy of “cash-out-and-ditch,” that seems like par for the course though.)

          • Dylan Amo

            John/Walter-

            I am glad y’all keep changing your arguments. It really shows the weak ground that Westlund is standing on.

            Yes John … Westlund did in fact suggest that Allen would be a better at investments. This was simply a cut from *Westlund* *cocaine* *induced* *rambles.*

            Before the ramble is my favorite part of the interview when WW says “One of my favorite lines from the WW Endorsement interview is at the 22 minute mark when the WW board say…

            “We’ve got two guys who claim business backgrounds. Very Different Business Backgrounds. Different in the sense that the company that Allen ran was much larger. It’s a high tech business. It’s an international business. A business in which he made capital finance decisions. Personnel decisions. Overseeing a legal staff. Yours were two “interesting” entrepreneurial businesses. Much smaller. But not nearly the level of complicity or the amount of money or the amount of management of a large organization. *So .. if you just saying who has got more business experience And who is more able to look at large amounts of money and complicated decisions. You would say that he say he has far more relevant experience.”*

            “Trying” to answer the question … Ben’s drug induced ramble talks about the multiple roles of the Treasures office. Unfortunately for Ben, his answer created a hierarchy of the multiple hats that the Treasurer wears. And again … I blame the *COCAINE* … because he clearly forgets what he just said 2 minutes ago. In a shitty attempt to stress his legislative experience and vision for the office to be a cheer leader on random projects, he suggests that if you only want someone for investments only then I would go with Allen. Opps … too bad Ben said that was the most important role.

            And for the record … Only Ben has “cashed out and ditched.” Allen is still working at Pixelworks but nice try.

          • Walter

            Interesting that you say that Westlund is the one on shaky ground but you have to keep on bringing up cocaine. Do you feel that your argument lacks substance, so you have to make allusions to that 26-year-old story?

            Incidentally, Alley DID ditch his position as CEO of Pixelworks. he receives more than $50,000/year + benefits to NOT be CEO. (Not counting stock options.) Read the flippin Business Jorurnal sometime.

          • Dylan Amo

            Walter/John-

            Typical … y’all launch into a personal attack on Allen. Keep switching the arguments to avoid the actual words of Westlund. And then have audacity to get angry at me for firing back. Typical. You’ve clearly abandoned the words of Willamette Week and Ben Westlund which is point of the post. So I am done.

            As for your parting shot … Are you suggesting that Ben hasn’t cashed out and ditched a company? You clearly didn’t answer that. Allen is still the Chairman. “Read the flippin’ Business Journal sometime.” (But I’ll spell Journal correctly)

          • Walter

            Alley attacks are typical, eh? When was the last time Westlund was mentioned on OregonCatalyst without someone harping on cocaine use or bull semen, regardless of the relevancy?

            And if you’re suggesting that being Chairman is in any way equivalent to the responsibilities of CEO, then you’re either hopped up on talking points or have no business acumen whatsoever.

  • Crawdude

    Westlund is a kook, I personally could careless about Alley, he gets my vote over a kook!

  • Dylan Amo

    Walter-

    This is just getting silly.

    I NEVER suggesting that Chairman and CEO have the same roles and responsibilities. Rather I was easily disproved your argument by showing that Allen is in fact still working at Pixelworks and never “cashed out and ditched.” UNLIKE Ben. Which you clearly now acknowledge with your continued omission.

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