Lars Larson on the Country Shifting to the Right

Maybe this Obamanation stuff is actually turning the country more conservative. Could it be true?

A lot of us were worried, and deservedly so, last November when President Obama was elected. We wondered, “What in the world is he going to do with the country?” Well, now we’re seeing some of it””taking over private companies, taking over health care, dictating new economic policies for energy””that are likely to put the nation further in the ditch.

The thing is, the country may be getting more conservative. A new Gallup Poll out says Americans, by a 2-to-1 margin have become more conservative than liberal. Independents and Democrats, 39% to 18%, most often say their views haven’t changed. The three major groups have indicated that their views have shifted more to the Right than they have to the Left.

Maybe this “hope and change” stuff is going to actually be good for America. As Americans see what it’s really like to tilt to the Left, they decide to start leaning back to the Right.

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  • Darrell

    Hey Lars,

    Great observation, I hope this is a result of your vacation. We all missed hearing you on the Radio all last week.

    Welcome back,

    Darrell

  • Voter

    This country is conservative, unfortunately they were decieved by Obama and disappointed by the GOP’s choice of McCain.

    They are now realizing that Obama is going to stumble, bumble and crumble through his Presidency. Given a choice I think the American public would for for Change from the change.

  • Oregometry

    Bulllllllsheeeeeeet.

    First of all, Obama’s stimulus (while not responsible) was a whole heck of a lot more fiscally conservative than Bush’s bailout.

    Second, let me clue you ignorant saps into a little secret: polls don’t reach anyone under the age of thirty, who had the most marked increase in voter registration in the last year. You know, the year that Democrats overwhelmingly took over local, state and federal offices.

    Sorry, Lars, but your poll doesn’t mean a thing.

    And I was even talking to a libertarian conservative from the Southwest who voted for McCain and very openly now admitted the error of his ways. “He’s too old,” he said. “He doesn’t have anywhere near the energy to do that job, and I’m actually seeing Obama restoring some of our diplomatic relations.”

    So give the economy another four months before you start ringing the president’s death bell for 2012.

    • Voter

      Cursing and insults are a sign of ignorance. Try getting your point(s) across in an intelligent manner and you may find a few more people take them seriously.

      Since you obviously couldn’t in your above post, its points carry no rational weight on any of the subjects.

    • Jerry

      Sorry, but there are no better relationships internationally due to anything this guy has done.
      Not one.
      In fact, there are many that are worse.
      Korea, Iran, etc.
      Keep dreaming.
      If he’s your man, you will be disappointed.

    • Rupert in Springfield

      >First of all, Obama’s stimulus (while not responsible) was a whole heck of a lot more fiscally conservative than Bush’s bailout.

      How so? Bush’s bailout ( TARP ) was in the neighborhood of $0.7B – $1T, BO Co’s Bailout was $2T-$8T, in other words at least twice as much money as Bush’s. Bush’s bailout was supposedly to keep a bunch of large companies, some federally run ( Fmae/Fmac ) from going under and dragging the whole economy down with them. BO Co’s bailout had some of that, but half of it was devoted to liberal pet projects ( ACORN etc. ) and the like that really don’t have much of a jobs impact and certainly don’t threaten to bring the entire economy down. In addition BO Co’s bailout largely takes place after 2010, when the recession will supposedly largely be over of its own accord.

      So in what possible way is BO Co’s bailout more fiscally conservative.

      >Second, let me clue you ignorant saps into a little secret: polls don’t reach anyone under the age of thirty, who had the most marked increase in voter registration in the last year.

      Big deal, the under thirty age category is still the lest important politically in terms of overall numbers and and influence. The increase in registration? Woop de doo. If you open up a restaurant in the middle of a large city, on your first day you are probably the fastest growing business in the city. In other words, its not hard to show “the largest increase” when you start from an initially low numbers.

      >You know, the year that Democrats overwhelmingly took over local, state and federal offices.

      Yep, kinda like 1994 all over again. This time with Democrats.

      >And I was even talking to a libertarian conservative from the Southwest who voted for McCain and very openly now admitted the error of his ways.

      Why does every Democrat seem to always have “this friend”? You know, I have about a million Democrat friends, who all have these friends who have been life long Republicans, Life long NRA members and used to be in the John Birch Society and for some reason they all voted for BO, at least that’s the way the story always seems to go.

      >”He’s too old,” he said. “He doesn’t have anywhere near the energy to do that job, and I’m actually seeing Obama restoring some of our diplomatic relations.”

      Your friend must have missed the Russian leg of BO’s last show tour. Looks like China and India are none to happy with us. The two biggest things I see on the foreign policy radar are reigning in Iran and the latest round of AGW talks. India and China sure aren’t being lured into the latter by BO’s foreign policy expertise and I don’t feel like there is any more help on Iran in any big way as compared with Bush.

      >So give the economy another four months before you start ringing the president’s death bell for 2012.

      It’s probably a good idea not to ring in anyone’s death bell these days. I think the point is, while it might be best not to start counting BO Co. as failed, it would also be way premature for the Dems to start thinking they are so popular they will control the presidency and congress for a long time to come.

      Look at it this way, if the Democrats were truly convinced America was in love with their policies, they wouldn’t be scared to death to let health care go until after the August recess. If you are scared of congress hearing from their constituents a little too much over the recess, that doesn’t speak to a lot of confidence in the popularity of your programs.

      • Anonymous

        “Why does every Democrat seem to always have “this friend”? …”

        It’s like when I was selling a classic car – almost every tire kicker knew a little old lady with the exact same car except in perfect condition for half the price.

        • Rupert in Springfield

          Kind of amazing isn’t it?

          Because of my left and far left social circle, I meet these people all the time.

          I am rarely, and I mean really rarely at a party or event where I am not the only Republican in the room, let alone conservative.

          Usually when I hear the tale of the conservative friend who voted for Kerry or Obama or who now totally believes in AGW I ask:

          “Since all you guys always have this “friend” how come whenever I am at these parties I’m the only conservative?”

          • valley person

            So all these people are liars? Why do you go to their events then?

          • Rupert in Springfield

            >So all these people are liars?

            Where do these ideas pop into your head Dean? I never said they were all liars.

            What is this fascination you have with construing an instance of the specific with a statement of the general?

            Why is it you like taking a statement I make about some things, applying it to all things, and then having me point out to you the fallacy of that logic and giving you the smack down?

            Ok, here we go again.

            I said I meet them at parties and events. I did not say that the host of the party or the event had these stories, or all people had these stories. That’s not the same thing. If a friend of mine has a liar at his party that is not the same thing as my friend being a liar or everyone at the party being a liar.

            Some things are a given if you are going to a party with a largely left crowd. The “I’ve gotta a friend story” is one of them, someone will tell it. Extreme religious intolerance ( my wife was absolutely appalled at the last party we went to ) is another, some people will quite readily express it. I can overlook faults in others as I am sure they overlook faults in me. If my friend who was throwing the party had the same religious intolerance as some of the guests, sure, I would not be friends with him. However I do not stop being friends with him just because some of his guests are intolerant. Likewise if all of his guests had the phoney friend story, I probably would not attend. Some do, that is not the same as saying all do.

            So there we go, yet again, saying some people do something is not the same as saying all people do something. Why this remains something I continually have to point out remains a mystery.

          • valley person

            In my defense your honor, more often than not it is you who generalize to the specific. Time and time again you make some sweeping conclusion about liberals or leftists based on someone you met or heard something about or where you used to live. As one of the few liberals who bothers with Catalyst I call you on it. I’m sorry if this causes you to take offense, but at least I did not call you silly names or accuse you of things I made up or exaggerated about you.

            Let me try a different tack. You go to all these parties, presumably there are dozens of liberals, and one or two has a story about a Republican friend that may or may not be true. If instead you went to a party with a few dozen Republicans and/or conservatives, don’t you think you would also get a story or 2 about some liberal friend saying this or that? Would you encounter a homophobic or racist comment or 2? An Obama is a secret Muslim Kenyan communist perhaps? And if you heard such comments, would you generalize from these about other conservatives?

            As it happens, I have some quite conservative friends, neighbors, and family members. I have heard all the above, but I don’t generalize from them about all conservatives. I go with the letting individuals take responsibility for their own ideas and comments school, and I don’t lay their trip on others.

          • Rupert in Springfield

            >I’m sorry if this causes you to take offense, but at least I did not call you silly names or accuse you of things I made up or exaggerated about you.

            Who said it causes me to take offense? I simply said your argument was silly. You constructed a logical fallacy, I pointed it out. I clarified my statements in a response. Why are you pressing a point I have already said was not at all what I was saying?

            >Let me try a different tack.

            Good idea, although why you are trying to prop up an argument that I have already said was not what I was saying doesn’t do much to buttress your logical facility.

            >If instead you went to a party with a few dozen Republicans and/or conservatives, don’t you think you would also get a story or 2 about some liberal friend saying this or that?

            Sure. I never maintained that if I went to a party I wouldn’t hear stories about peoples friends.

            What I maintained was I am often hearing from liberals about their Republican friend who got so sick of the R’s that they voted D.

            Is this really all that hard to follow? Do you need to go and re read what we are talking about?

            That said, I simply have never heard a Republican saying “oh yeah, I have this hard core commie friend, but this time he voted Republican”.

            Is it your contention that if one group is notable for something, then all groups are notable for the same thing?

            > Would you encounter a homophobic or racist comment or 2?

            Sure, one hears racist comments here and there throughout life.

            Would I hear racist comments at a Republican party? Maybe.

            Would I hear racist comments at a Liberal party? Probably more likely. Liberals are more noted for this sort of thing, hence why Sotomayors racist comments weren’t particularly earth shattered. Rather they were par for the course.

            Would I hear racist comments at a shrimp restaurant? Maybe

            Homophobic comments? I would say I encounter those comments more in right circles than left.

            So what?

            >And if you heard such comments, would you generalize from these about other conservatives?

            Generalize in what way? To say that if I hear racist comments more often at a left wing event then that means I am saying all left winged people are racist? Of course not.

            I wasn’t maintaining that all liberals had this “friend” you are the one said I did. I clarifyied and said no, I was not saying all liberals had a “friend” thus all were liars. So what in the world is your point?

            >As it happens, I have some quite conservative friends, neighbors, and family members.

            And was one of those conservative friends so disgusted with Bush 1 he voted for Clinton? Or so disgusted with Bush 2 he voted for Kerry etc.? Tee Hee

            > I have heard all the above, but I don’t generalize from them about all conservatives.

            I’m really proud of you.

            So then why did you go on to say I am generalizing about all liberals?

            What the hell is even your point here? Do you have a point?

            You assumed I was talking about all liberals when I have said very clearly I was not. I have said repeatedly I was not.

            What part of that don’t you get?

            You assumed wrong, I clarified and told you as much. Why in the world are you carrying on with this?

            You made an incorrect assumption. If my writing was unclear, or if you were stupid, I don’t care. I have clarified it in the preceding response. Why are you going on with this non sensical argument?

            > I go with the letting individuals take responsibility for their own ideas and comments school,

            Who cares? And what in the hell does taking responsibility of a “comments school” mean? Is there a yellow short bus to the comments school? Or is it more of a tram sort of thing?

            >and I don’t lay their trip on others.

            Oh ok, I get it now.

            I pointed out the logical fallacy of your argument.

            You could not admit you were wrong, like simply say “my mistake” and move on.

            You had to weasel your way into some mechanism to puff yourself up in your own mind, to make yourself feel better.

            So now this whole build up has been so you can say how you don’t judge people, every one is an individual to Dean yadda yadda.

            What a complete and utter load of BS.

            You always characterize a group based upon individual actions. You are king of that Dean.

            example one – You said once that Democrats did not racialize situations as much as Republicans. When I pointed out the most prominent racialized situations in recent memory, the Sharpton riots, Jesse holding up Texaco etc. all seemed to be started by Democrats, you then backed down from your original claim and went on to say that when Democrats racialized a situation it was to emancipate, when Republicans did it, it was to oppress.

            example two – In the run up to the election, you made a typical liberal racist joke on this blog. Essentially to the effect that BO could pick up more Republican votes if he all of a sudden turned white. It was an incredibly ugly racist comment and frankly you should have been banned for it. You just assumed Republicans are racist based on membership in a party.

            OK – So this answers one question about why your arguments don’t make a lot of sense. You double think to the point of being in denial about your basic nature. To say that you look at the individual rather than the group you assign them is the height of absurdity.

            You live by stereotypes Dean. If you are trying to maintain otherwise, that you don’t assume anything about someone based upon group membership, wow, I mean that is really astonishing.

    • Anonymous

      I wish I had been as smart as you at your age.

  • Ralph Branxton

    Peoples – no need for name-calling and such. Let’s just all get along and let’s all agree that liberals are simply people who want you to live in a manner completely different from how they live.
    It is as simple as that.

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