Poll: Obama sinks, Tea Party above both GOP and Dems

NBC-Wall Street Journal Poll on party favorability

Positve view (Neg.)
Tea Party Movement 41% (23%)
Democrat 35% (45%)
Republican 28% (43%)

NBC-WSJ Poll on Presidential approval
Presidential Approval rating 47%

Is 2010 the year of the third party candidates? Or will they be just spoilers?

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  • Bob Clark

    I believe the GOP will recover seats in the U.S Senate and U.S House in the upcoming midterm elections, but not enough to take back the Hourse of Representatives. However, the GOP should get back enough senate seats to have a cushion for filerbuster strength. Coleman’s loss to Franken really hurt the ability to stop the healthcare expansion blob laid on us by the Dems. It’s going to be difficult for the GOP to get back the presidency in ’12 because of conservative third party movements, such as Wayne Allyn Root and the libertarians. We just as well get behind Sarah Palin even with all her distractions. White business types like Romney are out of favor, and Huckabee took a big hit with his early release of a police officer killer.

    Locally, the governors race looks like major bad news. Retread Kizhaber against political hack Bradbury. Hanna choosing not to run is a killer for the GOP. But we must battle on somehow or another.

    Quack, Quack!

    • Moe

      Kitz is no retread. He really knows his stuff.
      I love him and will vote for him two or three times (mail fraud is easy in this state).

    • Palin Sucks

      I’m completely amazed anyone with an IQ above a carrot gives this woman the time of day. Her entire life is one excuse after another. She has nothing to offer in terms of leadership except a loud mouth. Keep in mind the entire State of Alaska has a smaller population than most mid-size cities.

      • Anonymous

        You must really be afraid she can win.

        • snow

          I think so. If there was no concern or fear, then why are they making such asses out of themnselves?

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  • Diamond Jim Franconni

    I will vote for anyone as long as they are not some whack-job Dem. These people are nuts!

  • v person

    Given that the “Tea Party” is not a party, governs nothing, and has no platform or candidates, I’m not sure how their “popularity” can be compared to actual parties that actually govern something. In other words, this is a poll about nothing.

    • sybella

      They is us and us is more than you. We’re going to win. Get used to it.

      • v person

        Maybe so. Be nice to me if you do.

      • Richard

        Without any guiding principals, the Tea Party movement is jut an irrational angry mob. One need more than numbers to rightful govern this country.

  • Anonymous

    v-dean
    What a useless point.

    As usual you contribute whay you imagine is more than the exceedingly obvious it is.

    Just as you and other “progressives” imagine your far leftist fanatic activism to be mainstream.

    You’re kooks who can’t get the Democrat rank and file on board.

  • Anonymous

    “Parties that actually govern something”?! What a joke. Government like we have nowadays – with unlimited powers and scope – does not ‘govern’. It steals and rewards. Oops. I almost forgot. Parties do ‘govern’ the bribery that sponsors our political criminals or criminal-wannabes.

  • Rupert in Springfield

    Well, the poll is interesting in context of the political zeitgeist. Remember, just about a year ago predictions of those that had finished James Carville’s book were that Democrats were on the ascendancy and set for forty years of control in Washington. Obviously times have changed. The significance of this poll might be debatable, but it is a barometer of the change in political climate. While the American populace could hardly be said to be gung ho Republican, they are clearly far less trusting of the Democrats than they were a year ago. The forty year Reich of Democrat rule seems an unreachable goal now that political survivability is in question. The winds of change will most certainly blow next November. How hard they blow depends on how well the Democrats distance themselves for the current agenda in the next year.

    Two things are certain, the Republicans will do nothing to strengthen their hand. Even in this climate we still have far too many of the stupid party interested in “moving the process along” rather than standing for anything. Americans hardly trust them not to repeat their mistakes under the Bush administration: heavy spending and liberal compromise. The other certainty is that Democrats will run hard center in the coming year unless they decide political suicide is best. Sacrifice political power to advance the lefts agenda. My guess is they will not choose that option and will be pragmatic and move center. That means no cap and tax and a BS punt on Copenhagen. Less left wing news is good news for the American people, now angered by the health care fiasco. Id predict capital gains tax cuts and federal small business loans will be accelerated in an attempt to appear to actually be doing something for the American people rather than working against them, as most of the past year has been spent.

    Cementing of power can only go on for so long before an angry populace begins to worry the politicians in power. My feeling is we are at that point. Pelosi certainly knows it, she has said she wont stick her neck out any more before the Senate does. Harry Reid might be more compliant with asserting the lefts agenda, he probably knows he is toast next election regardless. BO? Above all he doesn’t want a one term failed presidency. He will probably back off and concentrate more on spending TARP funds as they are paid back by banks and turned into slush money. He can cement a lot of power with close to a trillion dollars that will require little more than a coffee sit down with his lackey Geithner to decide where they are spent. No annoying congressional votes and most importantly, no investigative journalism to worry about in that regard.

    • v person

      “How hard they blow depends on how well the Democrats distance themselves for the current agenda in the next year. ”

      Not really. It depends on what the economy is doing, especially the unemployment picture. If things are improving rapidly enough, Democrats hold power. If it tanks, they will lose a lot of seats.

      “we still have far too many of the stupid party interested in “moving the process along”

      Really? What Republicans are helping move any process along? There are 40 out of 40 Rs filibustering health care in the Senate, and every R but one voted nay in the House. I mean, what do you want from them exactly? Armed resistance?

      “Americans hardly trust them not to repeat their mistakes under the Bush administration”

      We agree on that point. Only “mistake” is too mild a term for what they did.

      “My feeling is we are at that point.”

      More likely we are in a “what have you done for me lately” moment. Democrats have power and they had better use it to get some results or start packing their bags.

      By the way, on polling. Carter and both Bushs were polling well ahead of Obama at this stage of their presidencies. Obama is essentially tied with Reagan. Is there a lesson? Timing is everything.

  • Rupert in Springfield

    >Not really. It depends on what the economy is doing, especially the unemployment picture.

    Nah, Dems got thorn out in ’94 and I dont think a soul alive was arguing it had thing one to do about the economy. Learn your history.

    >Really? What Republicans are helping move any process along?

    Olympia Snow voted to move the bill out of comittee and stated that as her reason. You missed that? It was front page news.

    Oh well.

    >We agree on that point. Only “mistake” is too mild a term for what they did.

    Yep, the spending was their downfall. Democrats, running against that spending last year, seem to have largely forgotten the message.

    >More likely we are in a “what have you done for me lately” moment.

    Hardly, the message from the public is loud and clear – STOP! If the message were “what have you done for me lately” we would hardly see the antipathy we do towards all the Dems efforts, health care, cap and tax etc.

    >By the way, on polling. Carter and both Bushs were polling well ahead of Obama at this stage of their presidencies.

    Depnds how you count. No president has had a more rapid decline in the polls than BO.

    >Obama is essentially tied with Reagan.

    Differnece being Reagan was not working with a compliant congress for things the American public was clearly against, like health care.

    >Is there a lesson?

    Yep, lesson being, if you run against the run away spending of your predecessor, dont spend more than every other president combined in your first eight months. The message is about as crystal clear as it gets, stop spending.

    Obviously you dont want to hear that message.

    • v person

      “Nah, Dems got thorn out in ’94 and I dont think a soul alive was arguing it had thing one to do about the economy. Learn your history.”

      Good point. Nevertheless, I’ll stick with my prediction. The economy will rule on 010 and 012.

      “Olympia Snow voted to move the bill out of comittee and stated that as her reason. You missed that?”

      No, I didn’t miss it. Her vote was irrelevant, and she has pledged to vote against moving the current bill. And either way, if she is your sole example, you prove my point. The Republicans are not helping anything.

      “Yep, the spending was their downfall.”

      Not the spending. allowing Americans to die on rooftops, 2 unresolved wars and a financial meltdown trumped whatever they spent. I mean, they spent plenty the first few years in office and were re-elected anyway. There were no tea parties protesting spending until Obama was elected.

      “Hardly, the message from the public is loud and clear – STOP!”

      That may be the message from your side of the public, but my side of the public is urging them to do more and right quick.

      “No president has had a more rapid decline in the polls than BO. ”

      Maybe so, but Reagan was in he 30s in some polls 1 year after being elected by proportions similar to Obamas.

      “Differnece being Reagan was not working with a compliant congress for things the American public was clearly against, like health care.”

      I’m not sure how that makes a difference. Reagan was able to enact his policies with the help of conservative southern Democrats, who still existed back then. Obama has to deal with the likes of Nelson and Lieberman, who by the way should be given a wedgie for his performance. Also, the American public is not “against health care.” A lot of the public, a majority, is against this particular bill, but I doubt more than a handfull even know what is or isn’t in it. At the end of the day passing it will be way better politically than not passing it. Republicans know this which is why they are trying so hard to prevent it.

      “The message is about as crystal clear as it gets, stop spending.”

      Great advice for deepening the recession and doubling the unemployment rate. Brilliant. Thanks but no thanks. But I’ll tell you what. You work your side of the aisle and help them come up with a rational, achievable program for reducing spending and balancing the budget while continuing to start wars at the drop of a hat. Last time in office they did not do so well on this. Maybe they will do better after a few years (or decades) out of power.

    • v person

      A further illustration of just how bad the Bush and Republican congress era was economically? Worst decadal stock market performance in 200 years. And that is even with a 400 point recovery since Obama took office.

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704786204574607993448916718.html

      Yeah…spending is the problem.

      • Rupert in Springfield

        >Yeah…spending is the problem.

        If you dont think the American people felt speding was the problem under Republicans, and dont think spending is the problem under BO, you truly are politically tone deaf.

        • v person

          Everyone wants less spending on the stuff they don’t use or feel is important, and more spending on the stuff they do use or think is important. “Spending” as an abstract concept is thus worthless. Its Ross Perot territory, and last I looked he was never elected to anything.

          You yourself complained about Obama wanting to pull out of Iraq and his not sending enough troops to Afghanistan fast enough, keeping them there forever if need be. Rush Limbaugh wants Obama to bomb Iran. Republicans in the Senate protect farm subsidies as if their lives depended on it. Politicians (and you) find it convenient to rail against “spending” with no practical program at all for reducing it.

          Its a lot of Sturm and Drang is what it is. Its a tempest in a teapot. What matters is having a healthy economy that can sustain the goods and services Americans want, including government services. Right now government spending, lots of it, is all that stands between a growing economy and a further prolonged recession. Even the Wall Street Journal seems to get this. But you don’t.

          Tone deaf? No, I hear the whistles every day. As a practical matter? “Spending” is irrelevant.

  • Jed Redneck

    Can someone please tell me the number of people who were polled who had rarely or never heard of the “tea party”?

    What’s that? It’s 50%? Oh. So what was the point of this post? That when more people have no clue who you are, your approval ratings go up?

    And what candidates are emerging from the “tea party”? What’s that? They’re actually registered REPUBLICANS and they are running on the REPUBLICAN party line? Oh. So there is no “tea party”? No “tea party” primary? If I wanted to join the “tea party”, which party box would I check on the OR registration card?

    Thank for clearing that up. How does the GOP expect to win future elections when they delude their base as bad as they do?

    Awareness should be considered an asset, not the liability your “party” makes it out to be…not the liability EITHER party makes it out to be.

  • Diamond Jim Franconni

    Losers who believe in polls are just that – losers.

  • Rick Hickey

    Just another blatant reminder that ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is a top concern.

    R’s & D’s do nothing about it but Tea Party/9-12 independent Voters are!

    JOBS; Over 8 Million illegals working here while over 16 million on unemployment, make E-Verify mandatory, 8 mil. illegals lose their job, nat’l unemployment from 10% to 5%, Hello?

    Economy; #1. 8 million Americans now working and paying taxes vs 8 mil. illegals not paying any eitc yet collecting Billions in EITC. #2. Arizona just required Proof fo Citizenship to get any Benefits, in first 3 weeks alone over 800 turned over to ICE for cheating. #3. ESL, Oregon wastes over $400 Mill. p/bienium on 80% failure rate Bilingual. #4. Thousands of Illegals on “free” OHP and millions more Nationwide abusing SCHIP…

    Tea/9-12 people know this IS destroying America, but Dem’s want more Socialism soooo they do nothing (Except propose Amnesty last week as 90 D’s sgined on to Guiterrez bill in House) and R’s afraid of losing “Cheap” labor campaign money supporters also do nothing.

    • Anonymous

      Here is my impression of Rick Hickey…

      Post – blah blah elections blah blah
      RH – THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO GET RID OF ALL THOSE ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!

      Post – blah blah economy blah
      RH – ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE KILLING OUR ECONOMY!!!!

      Post – blah blah war in Afghanistan blah
      RH- WHILE OUR SOLDIERS ARE OFF TO WAR THEIR JOBS ARE STOLEN BY ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!

      Post – yadda yadda spay or neuter your pets
      RH – ILLEGAL ALIENS KICKED MY DOG!!!!!

      Post – da da da da what I had for breakfast this morning
      RH – YOUR BREAKFAST WAS PICKED BY ILLEGAL ALIEN FARM WORKERS!!!!

      Post – mmm mmm health care blah
      RH- ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE THE REASON HEALTH CARE IS SO EXPENSIVE!!!!!!

      Post – yada blah global warming
      RH – DAMN ILLEGAL ALIENS DRIVING THEIR CRAPPY ASSED CARS BELCHING SMOKE MAKING GREENHOUSE GASES!!!!!

      Post – blah yadda my toe hurts
      RH – ILLEGAL ALIENS COMING INTO YOUR HOME AT NIGHT AND REPLACING ALL YOUR SHOES WITH SMALLER ONES!!!!

      Post – blah umm yadda NASA moon landing
      RH – THE MOON LANDINGS WERE FAKED SO ILLEGAL ALIENS COULD STEAL MORE JOBS AT NASA!!!!

      Post – ooooh rock and roll music yadda blah
      RH – THE ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE TAKING OVER OUR RADIOS AND NOW ALL WE GET IS SOCCER AND MARAICHI!!!!

      In other words… post about anything. ANYTHING AT ALL. It doesn’t matter what. Wait 5 minutes. Then check to see if Rick Hickey has made an ass of himself again by ranting about the illegal aliens.

      And for the record: I am very much in favor of stronger immigration controls, border enforcement, deportation of illegals, verification, real ID, and even redefining “natuarl born” to exclude anchor babies. I AM ON YOUR SIDE. But seriously, Rick, you need to learn about discretion and gain some political savvy, because every time your fingers touch your keyboard, you make an idiot of yourself and diminish the cause we BOTH believe in.

  • Jack

    You Liberals will get your heads handed to you Next November 2010

  • Rick Hickey

    I’m sick of it also. But why are you not more upset with your elected leaders literally spending more and more of your money mostly on illegal aliens? I want to elect/work with/help those that give me a reason too do so and most are not.

    I’ll keep bringing it up until our leaders actually offer effective solutions to our growing problems, as I always do.

  • Rupert in Springfield

    >Everyone wants less spending on the stuff they don’t use or feel is important

    Most people use health care. Most feel it is important. So, if your contention were true, which it is not, there wold be enormous support for Obama care. There isn’t, thus your point isn’t really valid.

    You suffer from the impression that everyone thinks like you. Just because people want something does not mean they want government to run it. You do, thats fine, not everyone does though.

    >”Spending” as an abstract concept is thus worthless.

    Exit sane world.

    >Its a lot of Sturm and Drang is what it is. Its a tempest in a teapot.

    Could you find another phrase please? It’s getting a little dull that whenever you don’t like the news of the day you continue to use the same phrase over and over again. Spending is the number one issue in every poll I have seen out there. Obviously your contention that it amounts to nothing is ill founded. That is nothing new, however I would appreciate it if you would find another way of expressing your ignorance or wish to ignore such facts it in a more varied manner. Thank you.

    >Tone deaf? No, I hear the whistles every day.

    No one ever doubted that. I am quite sure you hear whistles, odd voices all manner of acoustical phenomena on an ongoing basis.

    >As a practical matter? “Spending” is irrelevant.

    Well, since the point of this article was the tea party poll standing and since that is their main issue it is curious why you bother to comment.

    Keep listening to those zany whistles!

    • v person

      “Most people use health care. Most feel it is important. So, if your contention were true, which it is not, there wold be enormous support for Obama care. There isn’t, thus your point isn’t really valid.”

      Sayz you. Most people have favored major health care reform all along. Current polls show a majority against the current senate bill, but in large part because liberals are disgusted with the compromise. It has zip to do with spending, and everything to do with the benefits in the bill. A big majority wanted a public option and/or a Medicare buy-in. When ole wedgie-puss Lieberman successfully held his breath that turned people off. The popularity of this bill, once it passes, will go up once the sausage is cooked and people get over their grief.

      “You suffer from the impression that everyone thinks like you. ”

      Quite the contrary Rupert, I spend time on this site arguing with people like you in part to remind myself that a lot of people do not think like me. Of course this puzzles me since I think everyone on earth should think as I do. But they don’t. Alas.

      “Could you find another phrase please? ”

      OK. Howz about: Mountain out of a molehill. Or Much ado about nothing. But I have no axe to grind here. We have clearly beat this into the ground, so no need to have a bee in your bonnet. We do seem to be between a rock and a hard place, but that is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. Nevertheless every cloud has a silver lining, and for every thing there is a season. Get what I’m sayin?

      “Obviously your contention that it amounts to nothing is ill founded.”

      OK. When you or your party runs someone to govern something important, and that person has a clear program that will reduce spending enough to do whatever it is you think it is supposed to do, and that person is elected, and they actually reduce spending on something more budgetarily significant than the NEA, then I’ll concede your point. Reagan did not reduce spending. Neither Bush reduced spending. A 12 year Republican Congress did not reduce spending. And Rupert wants to keep fighting multi hundreds of billions of dollar wars. Need we go on?

      Sure…in polls people say they want to reduce spending. They always think they are reducing someone elses spending. BFD. “Hi there. I’m running for Congress and I want to reduce spending on YOUR SSI, Medicare, and farm subsidies plus the military. ” ENNNNH (Buzzer Sound)! WRONG ANSWER!

      “Well, since the point of this article was the tea party poll standing and since that is their main issue it is curious why you bother to comment.”

      I choose to comment strictly for amusement purposes. That you and others think the “Tea Party” is an actual party equal to the 2 major parties is part of my amusement program. Trust me on this. I’d like nothing better than for the Tea Party to become a party and start running candidates. I might even send them money to encourage them. Then, let’s see the polls.

      THWEEET!

    • v person

      Here is some new poll information on health care that may burst your bubble Rupert:

      http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1209/Dem_senators_to_get_good_polling_news.html

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