Half page Oregonian Ad on No on Measure 66-67

The Taxpayer Association of Oregon and Americans for Prosperity ar efeatured on a new half-page ad in the Oregonian today. The ad goes the extra mile by highlighting the back to basics budget as championed by Senator Ted Ferrioli and State Rep, Bruce Hanna.

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  • ScatCat

    I wil be losing my job in February.
    As a hi tech manufacturing worker , I am seeing job loss as companies close and ship work overseas or to other states. A so called green job company decided Oregon is not the right place to put their factory.

    If measure 66 and 67 pass, the teachers unions will not have to cut a few days of school but companies will have to cut their student parent’s jobs.

    Tell me teacher unions what is more important a few days of school or the ability for me to work and provide just the basic need such as shelter, food and health care care. Must I chose between you have to cut a program or not hive my own place to live hunger and VA as my only heath care choice.
    Tell me you self centered bastards *WHY*!
    *Because of the way unemployment works, I will be left with not enough to cover rent

    • v person

      You seem to think that if these measures fail then you will keep your job. What is the basis for that? The unemployment rate in Oregon went from 5% to 10% in a single year. That had nothing at all to do with teacher’s unions or these measures. It was a failure of the private financial institutions who took ridiculous risks with other people’s money and were then bailed out. And companies migrating overseas? A function of free trade seeking out cheap labor. Unions have by and large been opposed to free trade.

      About the only avenue we (in Oregon and the US) have for economic growth is education. Cutting schools back at a time like this is fools gold.

      • WTF?

        Explain how education is about the only avenue for economic growth. I want to see some tortured logic. BTW, my neighbor’s company will be laying off 12 workers after 66 and 67 pass.

      • scatcat

        Tektronix
        Raisys
        Benchmark
        Credence
        We have thousands of jobs gone that need to be replaced. My job is going regardless. the problem is difficulty fining a new job, normally it take less than three months this time it take seven months and others I know some unemployed for over a year.

        It is pure rubbish to say education is the catalyst for growth in the economy because state run education only can consume resources and does not produce new value. I have a side business where I buy at cheap price and sell at a higher price (estate books and reconditioning used equipment).
        The public school union controlled teacher and professor only use forces in the way of taxes, consuming what others produce that creating value by the voluntary exchange of good and services in the free market.
        Education has very little y to do with it, there are plenty of highly educated person in our universities who are just economic sponges. Yet there are others like mey self edicated or in my case a college dropout with a leaning disability that still can create valure thught the free exchnge of goods and services. (Ps. to demonstrate I will not spell or grammar check the above sentence)

        If you think there is some importance to education, then do it in the free enterprise system. Do not come like a thief to steal what I produce instead come and trade with me, make you service so good that I will pay a kings ransom for your instruction.

        • Anonymous

          It is pure rubbish to say education is the catalyst for growth in the economy because state run education only can consume resources and does not produce new value. I have a side business where I buy at cheap price and sell at a higher price (estate books and reconditioning used equipment).
          The public school union controlled teacher and professor only use forces in the way of taxes, to consume what others produce than creating value by the voluntary exchange of good and services in the free market.
          Education has very little y to do with it, there are plenty of highly educated person in our universities who are just economic sponges. Yet there are others like mey self edicated or in my case a college dropout with a leaning disability that still can create valure thught the free exchnge of goods and services. (Ps. to demonstrate I will not spell or grammar check the above sentence)

        • v person

          “state run education only can consume resources and does not produce new value.”

          Really? I guess all those state university patents must be my imagination. And I guess all those engineers educated at state universities were merely sucking the teet of government.

          You live in a nation that has the best universities on the planet. You think it is a coincidence that we are also the richest nation?

          • Scatcat

            Anybody can make a patent, only entrepreneurs can turn it into cash.
            If the schools can produce so much wealth, why are not schools self-supporting.
            Yes, they produce good engineers, many I work with, but without entrepreneurs, we will have smart people with large student loans. The fact may college graduates start with large negative wealth show the economic value of an education.
            Now let us talk about the value of social and political science majors of today. How many millions of dollars have they produced? Tell me.

          • v person

            Anybody can make a patent? You appear to be completely ignorant of the role of research. You think “entrepreneurs” just pop up magically and make or sell something no one had to invent?

            You cite college debt as an aspersion against education? Truly amazing. When California was having its economic heyday it had free universities. No tuition paid by in state residents. What killed that golden goose? Tax cuts. Your form of logic is what is driving this nation into the pits.

            How much have polici majors produced? I don’t know, but why not pick on the arts? Those are worthless right? Unless you are the fim or TV industry I suppose.

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  • John in Oregon

    The litany of false choices being offered in comments here in support of 66 – 67 is just stunning. Consider the question in the context of a real live company and its real live workers. Blue Heron.

    Located in Oregon City the Blue Heron paper mill is being buffeted by falling demand and rising costs. Environmentally responsible, Blue Heron, as a company strives to embrace sustainable business practices and is one the state’s largest recyclers. Blue Heron converts scrap paper into fresh newsprint and paper bags replacing “environmentally disastrous” plastic bags.

    Blue Heron recently invested $12 million to slash its energy use and has made strides in cleaning up the river water it uses to turn scrap paper into new product.

    As noted in the Willamette Week, “Blue Heron is a company that has gone above the call of duty to do whatever they can to be ‘green,’” says Mike Burnett, director of the Portland-based Climate Trust. Burnett says Blue Heron’s recent energy conservation investment is the equivalent of taking 75,000 cars off the roads annually.

    With the tight economic environment less than 30 days ago Blue Heron announced it will attempt to reorganize under Chapter 11 Bankruptcy. An endeavor that will be complicated, should 66-67 pass, by the hands of the Oregon tax system around the companies throat.

    Because, dispute what the vote yes advertisements which say that the minimum tax is only $150, the reorganization will take place with the hand of Oregon Government raiding the company till to the tune of $200,000. $100,000 last year and another $100,000 this year. An additional State of Oregon roadblock on the hazardous path to bankruptcy reorganization.

    But we shouldn’t worry because “the Fat Cat owners can afford it”.

    Yeahhh right. How ironic. Or should I say how moronic? Blue Heron is employee owned. Each of the 216 employees can now look forward to his $923.93 share of the missing money sent down the government rat hole.

    Is it really a choice between government spending on the one hand and the fat cats on the other?

    Then we are offered this choice. Job loss is due to M67-68 or … *It was a failure of the private financial institutions who took ridiculous risks with other people’s money and were then bailed out.*

    About this we have new information. We have known for some time Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were used as instruments to “encourage” loans to risky borrowers. We knew that this was enforced through the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). We have known that Fan and Fred lowered the qualifying standards for conventional and subprime loans.

    Thanks to Edward Pinto, a former chief credit officer for Fannie Mae, we now know that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac “routinely _misrepresented_ the mortgages they were acquiring, reporting them as prime when they had characteristics that made them clearly subprime.

    Sooo the vile Wall Street bankers relied on those representations by agents of the federal government when they bought and sold securities backed by those misrepresented mortgages. But there is more. In these same scant 30 days past.

    “On Christmas Eve, when most Americans’ minds were on other things, the Treasury Department announced that it was removing the $400 billion cap from what the administration believes will be necessary to keep Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac solvent. This action confirms that the decade-long congressional failure to more closely regulate these two government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) will rank for U.S. taxpayers as one of the worst policy disasters in our history.”

    In what amounts to an outright admission, the Federal Reserve’s January 7 balance sheet shows that it has spent another $908 billion to cover Fannie Mae’s, Freddie Mac’s, and Ginnie Mae’s mortgage-backed security losses.

    What was it again about the false choice of failure of the private financial institutions? Should we ignore the $1.3 Trillion fraud of the government sponsored institutions which precipitated the problem?

    So then we are presented with this false choice. *About the only avenue we (in Oregon and the US) have for economic growth is education. Cutting schools back at a time like this is fools gold.*

    Like all false choices this contains just one small grain of truth.

    Is it really true that every other state spending need is more important than the schools? Cultural Competency officers really more important than teachers? Windmill tax credits more important?

    Is it really true that state spending that grows by only 8 percent requires cutting school spending?

    Is it true that schools will provide more bang for the buck than if we simply leave the money with startup business and companies in survival mode?

    Are we really getting our moneys worth from the schools?

    Make no mistake the cross hairs of this tax intentionally target those enterprises which are marginally profitable. If the goal were to punish the weakest business in the state this tax is exactly the way to do that.

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