Should English be official language of Oregon?

Rep Mike Nearman_thb

by Rep. Mike Nearman

The idea seems pretty clear to me. I don’t want to cause any trouble. I just want to put the question to the voters, “Do you want English to be the official language of the State of Oregon?”

I’m one of the chief sponsors of an initiative petition, sponsored by Oregonians for Immigration Reform (OFIR), to do just that.

It’s not as if this is unusual. Currently 31 states have English as their official language – including California and Idaho. 

There are 138 languages spoken in Oregon and if you want to be successful – however you define successful for yourself – you should probably learn to speak English. Furthermore, it’s expensive and inefficient for the state to have to operate in multiple languages. So, let’s get out the clipboards, start collecting signatures and have a vote on it.

Not so fast.

As you know, the Attorney General (AG) creates a ballot title for each initiative. Citizens of Oregon who expect fairness should be outraged at the ballot title received from Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum for the initiative to make English the official language of the State of Oregon:

“Changes state/”subdivision” (undefined) laws regarding English/other-language use and requirements; exceptions; authorizes lawsuits”

It doesn’t seem possible to come up with a less clear explanation of “English is the official language of the State of Oregon”. Apparently, English is not the official language of the AG’s legal department. What is clear is that the government of one party rule has no intention of letting this idea have its day and get a fair shot with voters. That’s too bad.

The next step is for OFIR to appeal the ballot title to the Oregon Supreme Court, where one hopes the AG’s title will fail to pass the laugh test. If not, the same outrage should be directed at the members of the Court. Remember, these people all serve in elected offices, and many were originally appointed by the governor. You might want to hold them accountable.

The good news is that Oregonians for Immigration Reform is considering having a contest to see who can come up with the most emoticons or smileys derived solely from the characters used in AG Rosenblum’s ballot title. 🙂 Have a nice day.

State Representative Mike Nearman (R-Independence) is a board member with OFIR and speaks English well enough to write a halfway-decent ballot title. He can be reached at [email protected]

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  • Paco

    Si mis amigos…si

  • DavidAppell

    Oregon ne devrait pas avoir une langue officielle . Célébrer la diversité.

    • Hazel

      DavidAppell, Now I understand, you have either illegally entered my country or your parents brought you illegally. Please return to your own country and then apply for the legal entrance into the USA.

      • Eric Blair

        People who speak a foreign language are here illegally? Is your thinking really that simplistic?

      • Eric Blair

        Let me ask you a serious question. Why is it that if I, or David, or others, disagree with you that you think that we must be: undocumented workers, a small business hiring undocumented workers, racists. Why is it someone can’t just disagree with you?

        When you went through school, were you not taught how to debate and present your arguments without engaging in personal attacks? What does engaging in personal and ad hominem attacks do to advance the discussion?

        • .

          B estrous cometh forth out from your mouthing expellatorts.

          • Eric Blair

            Donald? Is that you?

        • NAFTA Refugee

          Hazel is trying to figure out where you are coming from. You’re not giving up details of your background that might explain why you hold the opinions that you do. You are being aloof.

          • Eric Blair

            Hmmmm… I don’t believe that is true. I think she is just being an ass and is engaging in very bad trolling. If she were serious she wouldn’t ask loaded questions. Or.. .she is 12 and in which case I’ve been to judgmental.

            Since we really don’t know anything about our backgrounds, I don’t believe I’m being aloof. Or at least no more aloof than anyone else. 😉

          • NAFTA Refugee

            Fair enough. I have attended a few OFIR meetings. I have met Hazel’s peers. Hazel’s line of reasoning represents a very large group of people. Their not as skilled at debate as you are, (there are exceptions) but their beliefs are just as strong. Hazel is not trolling. She is for real. This is good training for her as she has to step up her game if she (and her peers) want to win this.

      • NAFTA Refugee

        Or maybe Hazel, David took a French class or two? Foreign language is a requirement in our schools now. It has been for some time now.

  • Eric Blair

    This has to be one of the most stupid and divisive initiatives that there is. What problem is it solving? Do we spend copious amounts of money on all 138 languages spoken in Oregon (talk about a red herring).

    Let’s also be absolutely honest, which Nearman is not, this is not about 137 of those languages, it is about only one of them: Spanish. He can’t even be honest and admit to that. For that reason alone, this measure should never see the light of day. Initiatives like this is why the Republicans will remain a minority party in Oregon and will continually fall further behind.

    • guest

      Spook you senor EB interloper and manifestos bent on tearing US WFO miles US away from and sovereign ID and dignity off the map. Sharroop you, a hooter never in game bongwazzi!

      • DavidAppell

        I can’t tell what language you’re writing in, but I think Oregon should respect it just as much as English.

        • Eric Blair

          LOL!

        • Iownyou!

          His native tongue: Language de la Douche

          • Starr Shrek

            English only please!
            Klingonaase, perhaps, a second.
            All else can line up to go French titillate themselves wacko outer at the Blair and Appell Drivel Farm

          • Joel in PDX

            Nice comeback Joel Cole

        • Hazel

          Please return to your country and if you want to come to Oregon or the USA please apply and come here legally.

          • DavidAppell

            Same to you.

          • .

            A hoarse manure over, DA!

    • HeyJudeOregon

      DRIVERS TEST SHOULD BE IN ENGLISH ONLY. ALL OF OUR SIGNS ARE IN ENGLISH AND NEED TO BE READ.

      • DavidAppell

        Ever driven in a foreign country where the signs are in a foreign language? It’s not the difficult….

        • Robert

          And 55 is so different in …..
          I get more confused with the Ks&Ms on the speedometer…

        • Dick Winningstad

          Canada is very divide thanks in part to its two language system.

          • DavidAppell

            Used to be perhaps, back when Quebec wanted to secede. I don’t see it now.

          • Hazel

            DavidAppell, why do I think you are lying, I doubt very much that you have been in Quebec.
            They are a divided country!

          • DavidAppell

            I’ve worked with Canadians, at a time when the Quebec issue was at a much higher pitch. The Canadians I knew — from several different provinces, including Quebec — certainly were no divided. In fact, Americans could take a good lesson in politeness from the Canadian people.

          • Clayton Peterson

            Ahh! Finally, he speaks the truth: He doesn’t SEE it. There are none so blind….

          • Eric Blair

            … as yourself.

          • DavidAppell

            Where is the current evidence Quebec wants to succeed, as compared to what they were daying 2 decades ago?

          • Hazel

            Canada is also a divided country, try to get a cup of coffee in certain areas in Quebec.

        • Hazel

          It is true, most have a type of sign language however to change all of our signs at one time would cost a fortune. If English is the official language then it would be safer for all concerned.

        • Hazel

          Yes, I have and some are some are not, I usually have a foreign dictionary with me and I respect whichever country I am, there laws. Can you say the same thing here in my country and state.

      • Eric Blair

        Or, we could have bilingual signs. Fortunately, the signs are generally recognizable by their design and graphics.
        Having said that, that does not justify making English the official language of Oregon.

    • Hazel

      Eric Blair, it is not about mexicans it is about being able to converse and understand each other. You need to think about it as many people deeper into mexico speaks a different dialect and as you get further into central and then south america, many speak Portuguese, not Spanish.
      The bulk of the world speaks English and all airline pilots speak English, does not matter what country they are from, has stopped a lot of accidents. I have traveled extensively and a few remote area’s and was shocked to find one or two who could speak English.

      Sorry, hope I am wrong but you sound very racist and you need to be practical which you are not.

      • Eric Blair

        No where did I mention Mexicans. I mentioned Spanish… and yes, there are different dialects. As there are in English in this country. I’m also aware that much of South America speaks Portuguese. There is nothing wrong with bilingual signs or forms that address other languages spoken in a particular area.

        No one is talking about not having signs in English. Making English the official language of Oregon, however, is divisive and, in my opinion, targeted at a particular language spoken by many in this country. The fact that this petition is sponsored by Oregonians for Immigration Reform says quite a bit, don’t you think.

        By practical you mean think about things the way you do? If you’re going to convince me, then you need to be prepared to actually offer facts that address the issue and not engage in ad hominem attacks. Speaking of which….

        I’m not at all sure why you played the racist card — care to explain?

        I hope I’m wrong, but you sound very confused and lack the ability to read for comprehension.

        • Hazel

          You are racist as the very people you profess to help by not learning English you are forcing them to some very nasty jobs. Why do I have a feeling that you are mexican and not here legally.

          • Eric Blair

            Please explain how I’m a racist. What did I say that was racist?

            Helping people learn English is different than mandating English as the official language of Oregon. Can you understand that?

            LOL.. I have no idea why you have that feeling. Perhaps you had bad fish for dinner?

          • .

            Errant Blair and branch-idiom David Rappel peer as left wing concertos in hell major, soviet an orchestration comprised forum a New World Odor tree that stumps all common sense insight.

  • HBguy

    Maybe it’s hard to write a ballot title for this, because it’s so hard to tell what exactly this initiative does.
    But here’s a try…..
    “Requires government to use English, except when it doesn’t. Authorizes lawsuits by private citizens to figure out what that means.”

  • Gary Will

    I see absolutely no reason why Oregon taxpayers, or any taxpayer of any state should fund the costs of signage, as well as instructions, ballots, or anything else in a language other than English. Learn the language of the country you live in or get out of the country. In the meantime if you need help in understanding pertinent information, bring along people who can interpret for you.

    • DavidAppell

      For centuries immigrants have come to America, survived with their different languages, and adapted as they saw fit. There is no reason to require anyone to speak anything, except for those who want to exert power over them. This is still a free country, like it or not.

      • thevillageidiot

        And most wanted their children to learn English. some continued to speak the native tongue others chose not to. I am of German decent. My great grandfather came from Germany just prior to WWI and chose not to encourage his children to speak German. I like it that way. there was an initial call for an official language during the early years of the US. There was never one declared but English became the default language. I have been to Mexico. yes the road signs are understandable when they are in the international graphic. too many are warnings in Spanish. you can figure them out. other than that I never saw anything in two languages English or otherwise. I would surmise that if you wanted a drivers license in Mexcio you would need to speak, read and understand the language. an oral test in your native language would not be acceptable.

        • Eric Blair

          A decision made by your family. That has nothing to do with making English the official language of Oregon.

          • guest

            Hogwash.

          • Dick Winningstad

            That was the decision of the vast majority of immigrants until the modern diversity movement. German, Greek, Italians all learned English, especially the children, to assimilate into the society they moved to. If you want to keep your language, perhaps you should stay in your mother country.

          • Eric Blair

            Wow… that is certainly.. nativist of you. Again, what is the purpose of making English as the official language of Oregon. What problem is it resolving.

          • Hazel

            Eric Blair, that is the difference between Americans and legal immigrants, we respect the laws of the USA and Oregon. You really do not understand why English should be the official language, that is sad.

          • Eric Blair

            I don’t understand it… can you explain it in a way that makes sense?

          • Hazel

            Eric Blair, take a break, go out side and play. I am beginning to find you very boring. Your are just ranting, nothing of importance to say. Go away!

          • Eric Blair

            Where should I go? Am I required to entertain you? I wasn’t aware.

            Your response to people you disagree with is to ask them to leave. Is there a any good reason why you don’t leave instead? Are you lazy? Do you expect people to conform to your wishes and desires instead of you taking charge of your own actions?

          • Dick Winningstad

            Not nativist. A common language unites a country, makes commerce easier, and politics easier. A group that is isolated by a different language is not likely to make much progress in a country that speaks another language. Want to get into the professions in the U.S.? Speak english. Want to do well in politics? Speak english. Want to do well in business? Speak english. Want to stay poor and (in today’s times) on government assistance? Keep your native non-english language. As mentioned above, early non-english speakers that came to this country learned english and got ahead, in part, as a result.

          • Eric Blair

            And they did it without English being the official language, so we’re back to why is it necessary to make English the official language of Oregon. So far all you’ve done is describe why it is desirable to learn English but not explain why, or how, making English the official language of Oregon is a good move. In fact, no one has.

          • Dick Winningstad

            To avoid the Canadian pitfall of bi-lingualism that only divides a country.

          • Eric Blair

            I think you overstate the political problems Canada has. They do no appear to be anywhere close to political ruin, and, actually, don’t appear to be any more divided than we are. Maybe even less so.

            If that is the best reason you have, then making English the official language of Oregon is a waste of time and resources.

          • Hazel

            Yes, it does. Just curious are you one of the small business owners who have refused to use e-verity and mostly hire illegals at cheap wages.

          • Eric Blair

            LOL.. you’re not very good at this making oblique personal attacks are you? If you are going to be a good troll, you’ll need to up your game.

            Let me be succinct: No.

          • Hazel

            Eric Blair then you are a want-a-be Oregonian and pretend American. Please leave!

          • Eric Blair

            LOL.. you really are an unpleasant person. I actually now feel sorry for you.

        • DavidAppell

          If that’s the way you like it, that’s how you should raise your children. Others can make their own choices.

          • Hazel

            DavidAppell, speak what you like at home or with friends but you are doing a huge disservice to people who need to speak English, this is an English speaking country and the bulk of the world speaks English. Get out of Oregon once in a while and see what is around you.

          • Eric Blair

            What does the fact that a majority of the world speaks some English have to do with making English the official language of Oregon?

            A majority of the world also speaks Chinese and Spanish. If it is good for the rest of the world to bi- or trilingual, wouldn’t it be a good idea if we were too? In fact, Chinese (Mandarin) and Spanish are spoken by more people in the world than English. I think we would look less arrogant if we were a little more diverse in the languages we speak.

          • Hazel

            Eric Blair, you are so wrong. There is not a airline that is not English speaking, they realized a long time ago that without all speaking one language there would be accidents. You do know that don’t you, Please leave my country!

          • Eric Blair

            I didn’t address the airline question… so I’m not even sure what you’re talking about. You’ve done that several times. Perhaps, instead of worrying about other people speaking English, you should learn how to read it. You are having some difficulties.

            Your country? LOL.. may I see your title deed?

          • Dick Winningstad

            Trolling?

          • Eric Blair

            Posting inflammatory comments simply to provoke a response. If you asking me if I’m trolling, in some of these posts, yes I am. Sometimes I can’t help myself and I feed the troll. In this case, Hazel. In general, no, I don’t troll.

      • Hazel

        DavidAppell, as Americans like myself and Gary Will we are well aware that our country is free and we are allowed our opinions. Mine is to deport you and your kind.

        • DavidAppell

          Have fun trying to deport me — I’m as American as you are.

  • HeyJudeOregon

    THIS IS AMERICA, WE SPEAK ENGLISH HERE. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. It is offensive hearing other languages in my ears! it is rude and disrespectful to our country.

    • DavidAppell

      People are free to speak whatever they want here. Freedom is the essence of America, no?

      • Hazel

        DavidAppell, you would allow these people to defend themselves or go to a hospital and they cannot tell anyone they need help. You are condemning a group of people to stay down lower on the life level, why are you so mean.

        • Eric Blair

          *sigh* you really aren’t very good at this, are you? Perhaps you’d like it if the English was the official language of the entire world?

          • Hazel

            Most of the world does speak English, where are you from El Salvador?

          • Eric Blair

            Really.. most of the world? You’re arguing that 3.5+ billion people speak English? And by speak English, do you mean a few words, some fluency in speaking? I’m not sure of what measure you’re using.

          • Dick Winningstad

            Probably not. But English is the language of business and diplomacy. If you don’t speak English it will be harder to conduct business or foreign relations.

          • Eric Blair

            English may be the language of business, but it is not the language of diplomacy. Traditionally French was the language of diplomacy, but you’ll notice that most leaders have translators.

            But at least you agree with me that Hazel is wrong about most of the world speaking English.

            It really does seem to me that people will learn the language they need to get ahead. Somehow attempting to coerce them into doing so seems more divisive than unifying. I simply don’t see the need to make English the official language. It pretty much already is.

          • Dick Winningstad

            Latin was the language of diplomacy and then French. Today it is English. No coercion. Only a requirement to adopt if you want to participate. When in Rome…

          • Eric Blair

            LOL… I disagree… but that’s not sufficient to advance your cause.

          • NAFTA Refugee

            According to the Borg?

          • Eric Blair

            Sure, why not. And others as well.

          • Clayton Peterson

            Traditional French has not been the language of diplomacy for many decades–probably in your lifetime (unless you you are a really, really old geezer like me). You were correct in saying that it “was”. Has nothing to do with whether or not Oregon should have an “official” language, nor what that language ought to be.

      • Hazel

        DavidAppell, not for foreign illegals who have invaded this country. Will take a little time but make no mistake we will deport you and your ilk.

        • DavidAppell

          Me and my ilk??? That’s funny.

          • Eric Blair

            Do you speak ilk? You should make sure to speak English. Hazel doesn’t like people speaking ilk.

          • DavidAppell

            This is supposed to be a free country still. I should be allowed to speak ilk if that’s my choice. You don’t have to change any highway signs, but I’m speaking ilk even if you pass a law against it. Hazel will just have to deal with it!

          • Eric Blair

            Do you think Rosetta Stone has an ilk program?

          • DavidAppell

            They will! And hopefully Google is adding ilk to its Translate app….

    • Duh

      You must have skipped freshman history. The original settlers came from other countries besides England.

      • Dick Winningstad

        About 10-15%. The majority were English speakers.

      • Hazel

        Yes, and the bulk of them came through Ellis Island, they were vetted and then welcomed. Times have changed, we have a system for legal immigrants to come into this country, well, we did until obama and his ilk, now they are forced to the back of the line that is if they are let in after this invasion, and they want to learn English, they want to become American, this group does not.

        We now have foreign invaders bringing murder, rape, more drugs, stealing, lying, the diseases they have brought many have never been seen in this country before and some we have not seen since our great grandparents.
        Look the new strain of TB that has been brought with this group.

        • Eric Blair

          Hazel – Duh said original settlers… not later immigrants. Believe it or not, there was no Ellis Island processing center in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. I think you need to be sure to slow down and read what is being said… you seem to have issues with that.

          Dick: I seriously doubt your 10-15% statistics. There were quite a few French, Spanish and Germans speakers who came to this country early… we’re talking about the entire colonial America area. And, did you factor in slaves brought from Africa? Considering that by 1776 20% of the population was made up of slaves, your about 10-15% is already very wrong.

          • Hazel

            Nice to know that Oregonians and American citizens who paid for your education that you did listen, somewhat to what was taught. By the way we would like our money back!

      • Hazel

        Duh, welcome to 2015, times have changed and most Americans have changed with it!

    • DavidAppell

      “It is offensive hearing other languages in my ears!”

      Do you always expect the world to adapt to your needs?

    • Eric Blair

      It is offensive to me to read this tripe, but I’m not in favor of a law silencing you.

      • Dick Winningstad

        A professional indignant?

        • Eric Blair

          If only. I could make a ton-o-money.

          • Ten Four

            Sighed, E.B. Arrogrumpus-Catastropolis

  • Dewey

    I think the larger issue here is whether we should convert to the metric system of weights and measurements. I think we should. In fact, we must.
    Any other course of action puts us in the same position as some third world nations.
    change it and change it now.
    Otherwise we will continue to lose in the world markets…nobody wants to deal with the system we have…it is tired and broken….

  • scatcatpdx

    I think I can be for this we make Klingon our official state language. It is not the proper role for government to dictate an official language. The official language of the United States is none of the above, and limited government.

  • NAFTA Refugee

    Claro que si. My father tells me the story of his grandparents who came form Germany. German was forbidden. No one was allowed to speak it. “You’re in the new world now.” his grandmother would say. Our family assimilated. I have the credit card bills and student loan debt to prove it.

    Do like China did. Require all citizens learn the primary language (in this case Mandarin).

    • DavidAppell

      So now our aspirations are reduced to those of China?

      • NAFTA Refugee

        Yours perhaps?

      • NAFTA Refugee

        Unity

    • Hazel

      NAFTA Refugee, and to please come here legally. No one has the right to invade another country.

  • HeyJudeOregon

    YES, PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND LET US CITIZENS DECIDE!

  • Sanatana

    Por favor, en English!!! Paradormour de la estaturation en las opremios suventers por los diangles.

    • .

      abet away dos common lacking cojones unless das is of curse of broose genre.

  • Dick Winningstad

    Yes English should be the language. If you want to love here you should assimilate.

    • Robin of Loxleyshire

      Thank you, Sir King Richard.

    • Hazel

      Only if you applied legally and was accepted, so many good people that have paid their dues and have waited years but they are now at the back of the line, if they are allowed into become citizens thanks to the foreign illegals who have forced their way into our country.

    • Eric Blair

      So we should be like the Borg? 😉

      • Dick Winningstad

        It does not follow.

        • Eric Blair

          A joke… assimilate as in… “Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.” Star Trek? The Borg? I’m not sure what you not understanding.

          • Dick Winningstad

            If you watched Star Trek you would realize the Borg were a bit more collectivist than a language. It does not follow and is a poor joke here..

          • Eric Blair

            *sigh* I was playing off the word assimilation. It may be a lack of sense of humor on your part. 😉

      • NAFTA Refugee

        After reading this endless back and forth I was beginning to think Eric was the Borg. Resistance is futile. 😉

        • Eric Blair

          I am.. I am 1 of 1.

    • Hazel

      Dick Winningstad, only if they come here legally. The foreign illegals like so many on this site need to return to their own countries and apply like legal immigrants that have been pushed to the back of the line. Nothing like good old fashion stealing done by these illegals.

  • Hazel

    In order for Oregonians and all American citizens then we must have English as our official language, there would be less confusion when trying to converse with each other. WHY English, it is because the bulk of the world speaks English, the most spoken language in the world. Airline Pilots all speak English only, it stopped any confusion when trying to fly in all other countries which prevent misunderstandings.
    I am all for learning as many languages as anyone would want but again I repeat English is spoken in even small villages world wide. I have traveled extensively and in some remote areas and was shocked to see at least one or two people could speak English.

    It is practical, saves lives as there is no misunderstandings.

    • Eric Blair

      How much confusion currently exists? We’ve managed to do just fine as a state for 157 years without an official language. And, making English the official language of Oregon doesn’t mean that anyone will start learning it.

      Since more people speak Spanish and Chinese worldwide, why don’t we all speak those two languages instead?

      • Hazel

        Eric Blair, they do not, you really have no idea what you are talking about. In China there are several languages and many cannot converse with each other. Please do a little more studying. Only a few countries speak Spanish. Spain cannot understand what you are saying only a few words, for the record most Spaniards do not like mexicans, they are embarrassed by them.

        • Eric Blair

          And I have a hard time understanding someone from Philly.

      • Hazel

        Eric Blair, difference between you and your people is mine who are always looking forward and trying to find a way to make things better.
        Just because 157 years ago no official language did not exist, in 2015 it is very necessary.

        • Eric Blair

          Why is it necessary? English is not going to go away if English isn’t made the official language of Oregon. I’m pretty sure that it is here to stay. What, in concrete terms, would such a designation do?

      • Dick Winningstad

        And until recently 99% of the population spoke English.

        • Eric Blair

          I’m not convinced of that statistic. Do you have a source?

  • HeyJudeOregon

    WHY IS IT SO HARD TO GET SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT THAT CAN BE WRITTEN SO EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND IT, INSTEAD OF CONFUSING THE VOTER? LETS FACE IT OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL IS A LIBERAL AND WILL VOTE AGAINST THIS.

  • Louise

    Legal Mexicans should learn English before they think about a drivers
    license and if they are not legal send them back and come to USA legally. I am tired of spending our money on these people

    • Eric Blair

      What about all the taxes they pay? Estimates I have seen show that undocumented workers pay more in taxes than they take out public benefits.

      • Dick Winningstad

        Hmmm…… I suspect your studies were slanted.

        • Eric Blair

          LOL.. I’m sure you do. I’m convinced they are correct. However, if you have different figures I’m willing to consider them.

      • NAFTA Refugee

        Not sufficient enough to advance your cause. Site your source.

        • Eric Blair
          • NAFTA Refugee

            Thanks for the citation Eric. You realize this is a pro immigrant propaganda group? Reminds me of CAIR. I have received their newsletters as well. Very intelligently written. Ever heard the saying, you can chose your own opinion but not your own facts? It seems everyone is choosing their own facts these days. It’s all the rage.

          • Eric Blair

            Of course… and if you have information… facts… that contradict their facts, please present them. Saying that Immigrationpolicy.org is pro-immigrant (I’ll bypass the “propaganda” tag) is different than saying their facts are wrong. I see that as a way to dismiss the facts without actually having to address them.

          • NAFTA Refugee

            Who’s facts?

          • Eric Blair

            Follow the thread… facts that show that undocumented workers take more in public services than they contribute. I’m sure you know what is meant.

      • NAFTA Refugee

        What income level are we talking here?

        • Eric Blair

          I believe it is an aggregate number… but I’m not sure. I’ll let you do the homework for this one.

  • Tome

    I understand Spanish and you don’t want to know what is being said most of the time!

  • Louise

    They take away jobs from USA citizens, try to get anything free they can
    there kids attend college free what about the American kids? I will admit some are hard workers, but others drink too much, get into fights and are just plain dangerous. They don’t even have proper social security cards.

    • Eric Blair

      “… but others drink too much, get into fights and are just plain dangerous.

      See, they do assimilate and become good Americans.

  • Emmy time now

    Nominate Appel (Row’n) and Blair (March’n) to take their Laughin’ act out to entertain groups in uniform chanting Alla hu Akbar.

  • Clayton Peterson

    If Oregon were to have an “official” language, like the majority of the states, it seems obvious (to me at least, and English is not my first language) that it would be English. The root issue seems to me to be whether having an “official” language, mandated by the state, is a positive endeavor. I believe a persuasive case can be made that it is.

    • Eric Blair

      And what is that case?

      • Unplug him Dano

        A case for common sense, not E.B.’s divisive mess of drawing and quartering of anything that runs counter to his jackassumptons.

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