Lars Larson: National Day of Prayer held unconstitutional

A shocking decision from a Wisconsin court judge held the National Day of Prayer unconstitutional.

How in the world could a country like ours hold the National Day of Prayer unconstitutional? This country’s been marking an official Day of Prayer since the 1950’s.

This country’s deep in Christian tradition. How about Christmas? That’s a national holiday. Obviously, we’re going to have to rule that one out.

What about “In God We Trust” on all of our money? We’ll have to eliminate that as well as on coins. And, outside the United States Supreme Court in that carved artwork showing Moses and the Ten Commandments. We’re going to have to tear that down as well.

This country has great roots in Christian religion. In fact, the Founders believed you couldn’t found a country like this without the help from God and prayers from people down below.

We need that National Day of Prayer.

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  • Rupert in Springfield

    Frankly I am getting sick of all these National days and months. National stapler day, Breast Cancer awareness month, Earth day. Enough already.

    I can see the arguments from both sides. Having “In God We Trust” on our money hardly seems like government establishing a religion. Having the president asking everyone to pray on national prayer might be more so.

    However that has to be kept in context of the first amendment. Does it seem at all likely that Day of Prayer constitute an establishment of religion? Well it sure seems to more than “In God We Trust” on the money, but its not exactly like the buses for church camp are showing up at everyone’s door.

    In short it seems difficult to argue that it is a violation of the establishment clause in Amendment 1 as it is hard to see what has been established. After 50 years one would think that would have happened. Few would contest that we are any closer to the horror some seem to hold of everyone waking up Presbyterian.

    Frankly I think Americans as a whole are more united on this issue than just about any other. No one really hates Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons or the local church group yet all have experienced some annoyance when they come knocking at our door with some literature. We like our religion, we may be passionate about it, but by and large we are all quite wary of others forcing their beliefs on ours.

    Thus it would seem to me Americans as a whole are hardly a group of dupes, with minds that could be infected simply because of NDOP.

    But that is precisely the argument that would have to be made here. That Americans, who tend to maintain their faith despite door knocking people of other faiths trying to sell their brand of deity, are idiots.

    Do we really believe that? Are Americans, battle hardened by the door knockers, Pat Robertson on TV or bin Ladins threats to convert to Islam or die are so dopey that they will renounce their faith simply because of NDOP?

    It seems like a pretty far fetched nightmare –

    *America – the horrifying country where everyone woke up Presbyterian and no one could get a decent T time.*

    We may be religious or we may not be, most see it as a private matter and resent intrusion into that. Religion is important to Americans and while we may hold wildly differing views, most would not wish for an atheistic society.

  • Morgan

    Larson stated “And, outside the United States Supreme Court in that carved artwork showing Moses and the Ten Commandments”
    Perhaps I am missing it in the pictures — that could certainly be — but I can see Moses or the 10 commandments in any artwork outside the Supreme Court Building.
    Could you post a picture on this site? I could then use it in a protest letter to the Court. Because if it is there, it should not be!

    • selective thinking

      The 10 commandments are apart of a mural inside the courtroom…but of course Lars omits many facts in order to make his point.

      http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/arg8a.htm

      The mural as described by the artist:

      “Law as an element of civilization was normally and naturally derived or inherited in this country from former civilizations. The “Eastern Pediment” of the Supreme Court Building suggests therefore the treatment of such fundamental laws and precepts as are derived from the East. Moses, Confucius and Solon are chosen as representing three great civilizations and form the central group of this Pediment.”

      • Rupert in Springfield

        And of course the 10 commandments are in several places in the courtroom building, including where Lars mentioned as well as in the chamber itself.

        Of course omitting the fact that the ten commandments appear in several places, not just one is something that would only seem signifigant to someone who could only argue by diverting from the point.

        Ok folks, lets keep moving along, nothing to see here, just a pop off.

  • Steve Plunk

    One judge has ruled on the topic so we might still find it constitutional after further judicial review. This is a slippery slope with Christmas and Easter holidays related.

  • valley p

    I can’t help but notice a lot more Lars posts than in the past. Has he officially replaced Jerry? Why has Jerry disappeared? We miss him. He and all his alter egos were funnier than Lars.

    So many questions, so little time.
    1) What is a “Wisconsin Court judge?” Are there any judges who lack courts (beauty contests don’t count)?

    2) If we have only had a national day of prayer since the 1950s, that suggests the Founders and many generations thereafter did not think it was all that necessary, yet we still had Christmas and the rest. So don’t worry so much Lars.

    3) Did anyone here actually stop whatever it was they were doing (blogging?) and pray on national prayer day? Did anyone even know when it was scheduled without having to look it up?

    4) Lars may think Americans are “united” on this issue. I think we are united in most of us not even knowing we had a national prayer day, and that we won’t miss it if it goes away as long as no one tells us about it.

    5) The Founders were for the most part Deists. They believed something, maybe God, made everything, said that it was good, or thunderous rumblings to that effect, and went on his or her way. That essentially leaves no one to pray to because no one is actually listening. Hence the Founders did not think to make a day of prayer. And anyway we already had and still have 52 of them called Friday night,Saturday, or Sunday depending on your preference. Or if you are Muslim you have every day 5 times a day. Maybe we should adopt that approach. What a pious nation we would be then.

    6) We do not “need” a national day of prayer and will not miss its absence except on Fox “News”. and Talk Radio. And for them, ratings will go up once people learn they should be outraged that Obama now wants to ban religion, so they are probably in favor of abolishing it just for the ratings boost.

    • Steve Plunk

      Maybe God? They thought maybe God made everything? The reality is religion permeated everyday life back then to the point the Founders didn’t feel the need address religion the way liberals do today. The attack on the national day of prayer is but another attack on our culture and traditions in general.

      Building straw men with the use of Fox, talk radio is not working anymore. People with no belief in God can still appreciate what religious underpinnings can do for a country and what it has done for this country. We can all be disappointed this was done without taking to the streets and protesting. Your six points are essentially nothing more than hyperbole and reductio ad absurdum arguments.

      Now I’m not the most religious man myself but I see the path liberals are taking with regards to religion in the public square. By destroying traditional religion they can replace it with the power of the state. The communists recognized religion would always have more power so they just did away with it and made the state the final arbiter of good, evil, and what’s best for mankind. Modern liberals see it much the same way. Religion is a barrier to the control over other men they seek.

      • valley p

        “Now I’m not the most religious man myself but I see the path liberals are taking with regards to religion in the public square. By destroying traditional religion they can replace it with the power of the state. ”

        Oy vez is mir. Steve, it so happens that many liberals are as religious as many conservatives. Religion does not have a political affiliation. 80% of Jews vote Democratic. 80% of Evangelical Christians vote Republican. But that still leaves 20% of each voting the other way. Martin Luther King was fairly religious no?

        But, you managed to demonstrate my point about the phony outrage that will ensue if the national day of prayer none of us actually knew about is taken away by some “Wisconsin court Judge”. Yikes. What will happen if they go after National Be Outraged Day?

        • Rupert in Springfield

          >Oy vez is mir. Steve, it so happens that

          I poker this is called a “tell”

          If you get called on a diversion that is particularly absurd you always go with the screwed up Yiddish in your reply when called on it.

          Please, if you have no mastery of history, and you don’t, can you possibly get the Yiddish saying correct?

          I mean really, if you are going to have the affectation of familiarity with the language, please try not to screw it up every damn time you try and use it.

          • valley p

            Au Gewalt. So now the Goy boy is giving me Yiddish lessons? Someone’s got a lot of noive mister bigshot.

    • Rupert in Springfield

      >The Founders were for the most part Deists. They believed something, maybe God, made everything, said that it was good, or thunderous rumblings to that effect, and went on his or her way.

      Ok, so now the guy who famously stated that the Founders left precious little as to their thinking on the constitution all of a sudden knows exactly how the founders viewed God. How astonishing, and of course, as usual, not true and simply made up out of thin air.

      Fine, you still have not picked up a copy of the Federalist Papers, alright, no biggie. So, you still don’t know how the founders viewed things, but pop off about it nonetheless

      That’s why you make mistakes like this, and others, such as thinking government creates rights, as when you said a few months back that among those rights created by government were the Bill of Rights.

      First of all, the founders did not believe God created the universe and went on his merry way. I have never read a thing that would indicate that and would love to see on what basis you make such a claim.

      I frankly think you made it up and dont think you can cite thing one that would substantiate it.

      So let’s set the record straight. The founders believed God was present in their every day lives. This is why they felt some things were an affront to God. It is on this basis that we had abolitionists in those times – John Adams was one of them and since he left no shortage of writing on his beliefs (yes, he is another one of those you think left precious little as to his thinking on the constitution, he only happened to write the worlds oldest constitution still in effect) we can check. Yes, he believed slavery to be wrong and an affront to God. Here is just one quote:

      “Consenting to slavery is a sacrilegious breach of trust, as offensive in the sight of God as it is derogatory from our own honor or interest of happiness”

      Hard to argue he was all worked up about offending some guy who just wandered off.

      John Adams like some of the other founders was very much like people of today in his beliefs. Less than enthused with organized religion, but still a pious man with a strong belief in God.

      This is ridiculous, you are trying yet again to divert the argument and it has sunk to such a level you cannot even create a diversion that makes any sense.

      In the future if you are going to insist in this tactic of diversion, which now has Steve me ridiculing you for it on a constant basis I would suggest you at least form something not so clearly nutty.

      • valley p

        Rupus Publius rises again! The Federalist Papers!. Dang! I knew I forgot to pick something up today! Doh!

        “So let’s set the record straight. The founders believed God was present in their every day lives.”

        Let me see you prove that. You are saying Madison, Jefferson, Franklin, Payne, and Washington were God fearing men? That might surprise them.

  • David Appell

    If you want to pray all day, go right ahead — no one is stopping you.

    Of course, that’s not the goal behind such a declaration — it’s to make a statement by Christians. And such a statement clearly violates the Constitution.

    • Anonymous

      “…such a statement clearly violates the Constitution”

      What part of the Constitution is violated? I couldn’t find it.

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