Activist Poll: Gov. Race Dead Heat. Huge undecided

Taxpayer Association of Oregon,

The largest straw poll in Oregon was conducted by the Taxpayer Association of Oregon with over 830 people responding. The poll shows the voter opinion of what Oregon grassroots taxpayer activist think of the governor candidates. The results of this taxpayer poll show a massive amount of voters are still undecided which makes this one of the most open ended and competitive races in modern memory.

The straw poll was sent to Taxpayer Association members and supporters around the state. Because it is not limited to a specific political party it gives a glimpse to what is in the mind of taxpayers beyond the Primary. There were seven write-in votes not factored in as only one received more than one vote which was Sen. Jason Atkinson at two votes.

The survey also included 13 other survey questions to be announced in the upcoming weeks.

Raw Numbers
Undecided –450
Dudley — 179
Alley — 157
Lim — 24
Bradbury –13
Kitzhaber — 11
Atkinson — 2
Less than 2, five people

Post to Twitter Post to Facebook Post to LinkedIn Post to Reddit

Posted by at 06:00 | Posted in Measure 37 | 25 Comments |Email This Post Email This Post |Print This Post Print This Post
  • Reper

    What have these governor candidates been doing in that most of the voters theyhave not reached yet? A good ad right now would surely give one of them a strong lead. Such lead will help keep the lead and with fundraising. Consider this my free advice.

  • joe

    Lets be clear here….not a stasticly valid poll in any way shape or form.

    • Ron Marquez

      Probably a reasonable indicator of how those who voted no on 66 & 67 might vote for governor.

      • Anonymous

        I doubt it. More like a sample of how wealthy Portland elitists might vote. I would expect Dudley to come in behind Alley (and Sizemore and maybe Lim) among rural and blue collar Republicans. You know, most of us.

        • Ron Marquez

          I said reasonable indicator, not a lock cinch, and I’m not sure who “most of us” is.

          …..”wealthy Portland elitists”…..don’t think so. Alley is probably the best qualified and I can’t see why regular folk…..”most of us”….would have any serious issues with him.

          Just curious…..who are the “Portland elitists” ?

  • Rupert in Springfield

    Since voting patterns in Oregon regularly indicate taxpayer concerns are fringe issues at best, I am not sure what relevance this poll has.

    Of course it could be a purely intellectual excursive. I personally would be interested in the wood chuck vote.

    Right now the demographic of Oregon is trough feeder The “gimme gimme gimme” class. Government efforts are primarily those of extraction and slopping.

    A poll of taxpayers predicts nothing of election results, but it might be of use to Moving truck companies.

  • valley p

    Are we to conclude that people not polled are thus not taxpayers? I need to go back and check my returns, but darned if I don’t remember paying some taxes last year.

    • IRS Agent

      I believe you are still fighting those tax evaision charges aren’t you?

  • surefoot

    This pole if anything shows how badly the GOP is doing in this state. The fact that John Kitzhaber got 17 votes and Bill Bradbury got 8 votes from the Taxpayer Association members shows this. The GOP has too much unasked for bad advertisement from the local radio talk shows. Many of them make the Republicans sound mean and simplistic; that the Republicans mainly support the more affluent citizens with rants about the common working man making too much money. Many Oregon voter find it offense, its great for preaching to the choir that’s about it.

    • valley p

      “Many of them make the Republicans *sound mean and simplistic* ; that the Republicans mainly support the more affluent citizens with rants about the common working man making too much money.”

      You mean they just sort of sound this way but they are not really this way?

      • surefoot

        I did mean poll, but that aside, Republicans need to include the working class; stop having radio talk shows ranting that they make too much money and that’s why all the jobs went overseas, or that they’re too lazy to improve themselves. Yes the I believe that the GOP can make room for the working person too.

        • Rupert in Springfield

          >Yes the I believe that the GOP can make room for the working person too.

          If you are talking state wide the GOP already is the working persons party. They are the only ones who stand up to sate employee unions, and given that state employees make more than the rest of us on average, I’m not sure how much more you want Republicans to do.

          If you are talking nation wide, it’s hard to see how Republicans need to change their strategy in this regard at all. As far as anyone can tell, they stand a reasonable chance of re-taking at least one body of congress in the next election. To be in that position less than two years after being in utter decimation does not exactly suggest a change in strategy is in order.

          Frankly I think Republicans could keep doing what they are doing and probably get a walk on into the White House in 2012 provided they run a candidate with a pulse. State wide the only thing they can do is to keep standing up for the working class and oppose state employees. That’s a tougher road to hoe however since state employees and their dependents represent a huge voting block. As many, myself included, have argued, Oregon may very well have passed the point of no return. State employees simply have so many numbers that it may be impossible to keep them from bleeding the average Joe dry.

          Just look at how they stuck it to Mom and Pop stores with measure 67 when it came time for their pay raises!

      • Rupert in Springfield

        >You mean they just sort of sound this way but they are not really this way?

        This coming from the guy who regularly brags about how the rich vote Democrat?

        Wow, what a flip flop, but that’s nothing new. Republicans always bad Democrats always bad, Napoleon is always right.

        So lets go through it again.

        If I say Democrats are engaged in a war against wealth, or business, or the productive, Dean can be counted on to say that the wealthy vote Democrat. So Democrats good.

        If someone says essentially the opposite, that Republicans only care about the wealthy. Then Dean is right there Democrats good, Republicans bad.

        What a lap dog. Would be nice if you would get your argument straight though.

        • gzimmer

          “I did mean poll, but that aside…”

          That aside, what about this:

          “Many Oregon voter find it offense, its great for preaching to the choir that’s about it.”

          First, I believe you are confusing “the common working man” with the “common underworking government employee”. The latter do make “too much money” and they are the same folks whose very livelihoods depend upon making the “common working man” “too lazy to improve themselves”.

          Second, this poll proves nothing except what it reports, your simplistic inferences notwithstanding.

          Third, cultivate your buddy deaner and you’ll improve your grammar and spelling – not to mention the chance of forming a GREAT comedy team.

          …I guarantee it

          • Anonymous

            Gzimmer .. You demonstrate what I was stating; the local conservative radio host way of communicating is I hate what you stand for, and I will persuade you to my side by calling you name and ridiculing your intelligent. I can tell a loyal local radio listener by the way they parrot what they hear.

        • valley p

          “This coming from the guy who regularly brags about how the rich vote Democrat?”

          Not all the rich, but a majority of them in recent elections. This is an historic anomaly by the way. I suspect it has much to do with Republican faux populism (i.e. Not Joe the Not Plumber, Ragin Palin, Creationism, Beware the Mexican hordes) and the gift that will keep on giving, George Bush the Wealth Squanderer. If it were just normal times, with Democrats wanting to raise their taxes and things otherwise humming along, then I think they would vote more as in the past.

          “Napoleon is always right.”

          Napoleon? 2nd time you used that today. Did I miss an important Beck theory? Please explain so I don’t feel left out.

          “If I say Democrats are engaged in a war against wealth, or business, or the productive….. So Democrats good.”

          Uh no. My point, clearly over your head, has been that wealthy people tend not to wage war upon themselves. So if your “war” premise were at all true, wealthy people would clearly vote the other way. People vote their values and interests. Unless you think 53% of wealthy people don’t know their own interests, there is no war on them by Democrats. Mild tax increases do not = a war.

          “If someone says essentially the opposite, that Republicans only care about the wealthy….”

          Well lets add up the score. Republicans (generally speaking) are AGAINST the minimum wage, against unions (public and private,) against progressive taxation, against funding public schools and universities, against extending health insurance to those who have trouble either getting it or paying for it, against Medicare (or maybe not anymore,) against Social Security, and in the past were against the 40 hour work week, overtime pay, and anti-child labor laws among other evil progressive initiatives.

          They are FOR tax cuts for the rich, including the estate tax, protecting the profits of private health insurance companies, and the freeist possible trade, no matter the consequences to American workers. Oh. And they are for “right to work” laws. That sounds worker friendly. Mississippi for everyone!

          Did I miss anything important? I didn’t think so. Now explain to me how this scorecard adds up to Republicans being anywhere in the neighborhood of supporting the working class, outside of Not Joe the Not Plumber.

          • valley p

            This just in. The number of American household with net worth, excluding their homes, INCREASED by 16% in year one of Obama the Munificent, after having DECLINED 27% under the last year of Bush the Squanderer.

            http://www.spectrem.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=AFFLUENTMARKETINSIGHTS2010

            I guess the only question is why MORE of the rich are not voting Democratic. And after 2nd thought, maybe Republicans really should try and become the working class party. Absent the ability to make the rich richer, what is their purpose? I guess they can still try and scare people.

          • valley p

            Apologies. That was meant to read “households with net worth of $1 million or more”

          • Rupert in Springfield

            >Napoleon? 2nd time you used that today. Did I miss an important Beck theory? Please explain so I don’t feel left out.

            Good lord, ok, so you had never heard of the Federalist Papers and you do not know what that line is in reference to?

            It’s from Animal Farm, a book by George Orwell. Its a pretty famous reference.

            I’m really a little astonished. I mean I had to re read that line several times to see if I was correct, that you really had no idea of the reference.

            You seriously are so ill read that you would be unaware of the Federalist papers and not get a very basic literary reference?

            I guess the GED high school equivalency test is not as strenuous as I had been lead to believe.

            You truly are scary Dean.

          • Rupert in Springfield

            I just had to double check again.

            Yep, the man who has no idea of what the Federalist papers are also has no clue as to the “Napoleon is always right” reference.

            Wow – that is really embarrassing.

            Scary scary stuff.

  • valley p

    Well old age takes its toll. I read animal Farm oh….40 some years ago. As for the Federalist Papers, yes, it seems I have heard tell of them.

    What are you anyway Rupert…some sort of over educated, pointy headed elitist now? Making fun of us old working class stiffs for our lack of reedin n ritin? That won’t play well with the Beck-Palin crowd. Be careful or they will chuck you out of the tent.

    • Rupert in Springfield

      >Making fun of us old working class stiffs for our lack of reedin n ritin?

      No, Im making fun of a guy who is such a boob he did not understand a standard literary reference and didn’t have the sense to look it up before propagating his idiocy upon the rest of us. There it is on google, put in Napoleon is always right and Animal Farm is all over the page. This has been yet another demonstration of your absolute inability to ever learn anything new. That’s what I am making fun of.

      I am making fun of a guy who by his own admission, had never heard of the Federalist Papers. When you claimed the founding fathers left precious little of their thinking on the constitution, and the Federalist Papers is an entire exposition on just that, its pretty clear you had no idea of their existence.

      Animal Farm references are hardly elitist.

      The Federalist Papers? Every conservative I know refers to them pretty frequently. Beck and Rush certainly refer to them almost weekly. Any gun show I have ever been to, most people know about them. Hardly seems elitist when the shotgun and pick up demographic is pretty familier with them.

      I mean you said I wasn’t a constitutional scholar, yet I could quote chapter and verse on how they explicitly refer to the meaning and historical context of the Second Amendment. Something you by your own admission had no knowledge of until I did so.

      Guess that either makes me an elite constitutional scholar or you an idiot.

      Oh wait a second, you didnt know about them, so thus the reference is elitest.

      Oh my God, you are ridiculous but very amusing.

      >That won’t play well with the Beck-Palin crowd.

      I guess if you had ever listened to Beck, which you obviously don’t haven’t, you would know that Rush, Beck et. al. refer to the Federalist Papers fairly frequently.

      I will agree with you on one thing though, your strategy of blaming your ignorance on old age slippage. Its not very effective given your record on this blog. However I do think such complete boobishness as displayed with this and the ignorance of the Federalist Papers existence could be explained by old age senility to a crowd unfamiliar with your inability to admit you are wrong.

      Congrats on that at least.

      • valley p

        “No, Im making fun of a guy who is such a boob he did not understand a standard literary reference…”

        Oh I see. A standard literary reference. I “tried the google” (as John McCain like to say) and came up with a bunch of song lyrics from a “Phoenix Napolean,” Napolean Dynomite, and someone called Lady Croissant I suppose I should also know his or her music better than I do. But I’ll try harder next time. In fact, I am enrolling tomorrow in a Great Books program. I need to see if it includes Animal Farm and the Federalist Papers first though.

        “Beck and Rush certainly refer to them almost weekly. ”

        Does that mean they have actually read them? Does it mean they are experts on the subject? Or could they just be semi educated blowhards pulling a fast one on you with selective and probably wrong quotes? I mean, when Beck, Limbaugh, and the Rupert team up as 3 pointy headed snarfs passing themselves off as scholars, telling the rest of us regular schmos what we ought to read and know about the constitution, why would we need an actual constitutional scholar as President? Don’t answer that. It was rhetorical.

        “Any gun show I have ever been to….”

        Dang. No wonder I missed this. I have yet to attend a gun show. Dang. Or should I say Bang?

        “I mean you said I wasn’t a constitutional scholar”

        Yes, I did say that. And I hate to break it to you Rupert, but you still aren’t. You are an amateur masquerading in your own head as a scholar blogging away in nowheresville convincing yourself that up is down, black is white, and that you, Rupert from Springfield, are a “constitutional scholar.” Excuse me while I guffaw just a bit. OK. I’m over that now. Have you ever heard the phrase “a little knowledge is dangerous?” Its probably mentioned in the Federalist Papers, but I would not know about that.

        “Guess that either makes me an elite constitutional scholar or you an idiot. ”

        No. There is a third alternative. You could be a delusional pompous ass and I could smart enough to admit to what I don’t know, and comfortable that I don’t need to know everything.

        “I guess if you had ever listened to Beck, which you obviously don’t haven’t…”

        Oops. there you go again Rupert. Assuming things you can’t possibly know. Last time you did that you made 6 straight flubs in a single post. Should I go over them with you again?

        “…could be explained by old age senility to a crowd unfamiliar with your inability to admit you are wrong.”

        Once again, the master of unadmitted wrongness makes the same accusation. Wow. You must be a glutton for punishment. Tell us again how 1.6 million equals 0.6 million. Tell us how long a year (Democratic fillibuster proof majority) is. Tell us about Scott Brown’s campaign.

        Or don’t. Its in the Catalyst archives, where it will reside forever and ever and ever….(that is a standard film reference by the way). Your list of digital Rupert the Publius flubadubs just keeps on growing, like Jacob Marley’s chain. You keep tripping over it but don;t seem to notice.

  • Winston_on_Truth

    The OR Governor race is very significant for this State. Under democrat leadership the taxes continue to go up so the next stop on the tax train is likely a sales tax, plus people and businesses are moving to other more business friendly states. Since 95% of Oregon’s revenues are generated by 5% of developed land this puts pressure on those locales and citizens to fund through taxation funds to support infrastructure. We NEED a savvy fiscally conservative governor NOW, so vote for Allen Alley… and I am not a Republican. If this State leadership does not turn around my family will be moving to a better place.

  • FreeOregon

    I don’t think any of these candidates, in either party, have a clue. The thinking is what government can do differently or more effectively. We’re not in that kind of world any more.

    We need leaders who understand government has failed, and that their options as government leaders are very, very constrained.

    To break out of the failing and failure mode we need people who understand how a real leader’s mind works, how their minds work, and how to coach themselves and others to success. We need people who invent the future, not people who live in the past or recycle old thoughts.

    All these people are good people. They also are yesterday people.

    In the present collapse environment the best thing government can do is to get out of my way, out of the way of the people who care and act in their own lives and communities without waiting for government or relying on government.

    We have over 3 million creative individuals in Oregon. It’s insanity to think that just because you sit in Salem you know what’s going to work for them.

    I spoke with one legislative leader a few months ago. He was proud, and justly so, of the work he was doing to create, potentially, 300 jobs in Oregon. What we need though are many thousands out there creating 300 jobs, not just one top down bureaucrat. And that’s not something government can do.

    This, in essence, is our challenge.

    Until we really trust each other and the people to find solutions we’ll be stuck in this tweedledee tweedledum top down, do it my way rut. And the rut is going nowhere but down in a downward spiral.

    It’s time, indeed long past time to break free and give Oregonians real freedom to invent their own futures, individually, and together.

Stay Tuned...

Stay up to date with the latest political news and commentary from Oregon Catalyst through daily email updates:

Prefer another subscription option? Subscribe to our RSS Feed, become a fan on Facebook, or follow us on Twitter.

Twitter Facebook

No Thanks (close this box)