Lars Larson: Should the government compare your paycheck to everyone else?

If you’re not already convinced that the President and the Congress and the rest of the government are too involved in your life, try this one on for size. How would you like them looking at your paycheck and comparing it to everyone else?

Our friends at Cybercast News Service point out that there is a brand new bill being considered by a Senate panel, while we’re all distracted with the Health Care bill. It would empower the Federal government to collect payroll information of private companies and try to find gender-based pay discrimination.

Now, I’m sure that’s not going to be very hard to do. There are plenty of occasions where you can say, “This man makes a larger paycheck than this woman even though they are basically doing the same job.” Think about your own workplace for example.

But, would you like the government to go on that kind of fishing expedition? To try to find more “guilty” Americans and insert government more into our lives? I certainly don’t.

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  • Rupert in Springfield

    Oh wow, gender pay discrimination? Are we still going on about the “women make seventy eight cents on the dollar” thing?

    How retro.

    Sorry, this one is really a little old at this stage.

    But then again, I wouldn’t expect too many good ideas coming from an administration that managed to turn a lousy economy with 7% unemployment into a lousy economy with close to 10% unemployment and spend a trillion or so to accomplish that feat. Every economist told them the stimulus was fatally flawed from the outset with its delayed spending. Could they be bothered to listen? Nope. They stuck to the plan that all knew was flawed from Japans 1990’s “lost decade” experiment.

    And that’s how it goes with this the current Democratic agenda. It seems to be driven by little more than some idea that now is the time to push with every nutty concept they have had over the last thirty or forty years, relevance be dammed.

    That is also why Democrats are in the precarious position they find themselves in right now. With a majority in congress and their party in the White House they seemed unstoppable just short months ago. Now, with their relentless pursuit over ideology rather than solutions they stand the distinct possibility of losing at least one house in congress. We have wasted over a year on health care. A bill that Americans rightly understand will drive us further into insolvency.

    Does this gender equity stuff have any more relevance in peoples lives than the health care bill? Of course not. However, like health care, it is a brass ring from the past that the Democrats have always craved.

    They hoped to sneak all this stuff by the people in the dead of night under cover of a severe recession. Never let a crises go to waste. Certainly there is historical precedent for this sort strategy working. However the ham handed way in which this was handled lead to its downfall. Democrats now find themselves in the position of having to either give up their decades long goals, or pass them in full daylight against the will of the people.

    The peoples mood hasn’t changed. They were never really enamored of the Democrats use of government for social manipulation. What has changed is the people have moved on. Not only are they antipathetic to this sort of social engineering, they see it as something whose relevancy in their lives is long past.

    To be in Democratic leadership right now is to be a person enmeshed in an imbroglio of theory and ideas with complicated rules and orthodoxy. It is the gamer table at the comic books store. A group with their own rules and concerns few can understand and fewer still care about. To those involved, the party die hards, it is their entire world. To the entire world it is an exercise in utter irrelevancy.

    If Democrats think that concentrating the hot issues of their 1970’s college days is the solution to problems decades later, they roll the twelve sided dice at their peril.

  • valley p

    Not sure what Lars is whining about here. That women earn less than men for comparable work is well established. If government wants to look at payrolls to find patterns that suggest discrimination, what is wrong with that? Is Lars paying his staff differentially?

    As for Rupert, you keep recycling the same set of phony charges. They don’t become any more accurate just because you keep repeating them.

    “an administration that managed to turn a lousy economy with 7% unemployment into a lousy economy with close to 10% unemployment ”

    “Any economist” will tell you that the employment rate lags behind the growth rate. The US economy grew 5.7% in the last quarter of 2009. How you could interpret that as a lack of progress would be mysterious if you were not Rupert. Multiple independent economists have estimated the number of jobs produced by the stimulus as between, and read this carefully Rupert so you do not make the same embarrassing mistake yet again: *1.6 million to over 2 million* .

    Get it? That is a 1 before the .6 at the low end. Spending $750 million or so over a 2 year period, much of which was on inefficient tax cuts advocated by Republicans, resulted in 2 million jobs net. The only “flaw” in the plan was they did not spend enough, thanks to Republicans and “moderate” Democrats.

    The only “lost decade” around here was the one we just experienced, presided over by Bush and his Republican majority Congress. Net US wealth was less in 2008 when he left office than it was in 2000 when he came in. And this after doubling the national debt. Quite a legacy. But I’m sure Republicans will do better next time.

    “Does this gender equity stuff have any more relevance in peoples lives than the health care bill? Of course not. ”

    It does for the women who are being cheated. And affordable health care has relevancy for just about every American. Even you. Notice anything about your premiums lately?

    “They hoped to sneak all this stuff by the people in the dead of night under cover of a severe recession.”

    Pure BS. Every Democrat ran on expanding health care coverage. Even John McCain and Mitt Romney were for it before they were against it. If you thought it was the dead of night, that is only because you failed to pull your head out of a dark and probably furry place.

    “The peoples mood hasn’t changed. They were never really enamored of the Democrats use of government for social manipulation.”

    That is right Rupert. That is why people are out in the streets calling for repeal of the 40 hour work week, child labor laws, the minimum wage, SSI, and Medicare. They long for Ayn Rand.

    “If Democrats think that concentrating the hot issues of their 1970’s college days is the solution to problems decades later, they roll the twelve sided dice at their peril.”

    1970s college days? What…out of Viet Nam now? What are you blathering about? 40-50 million
    Americans without health insurance is not 1970, its 2010. A proposed increased of 40% to health insurance premiums is not 1970, its 2010. The worst recession since the 1930s is not 1970, its 2008-now.

    The only “peril” Democratic politicians face is doing nothing with the power they won.

    • Rupert in Springfield

      Women make less for comparable work? What idiocy. If this were true then every company would hire only women.

      After all, if women are willing to work less for the same amount of work, why would anyone bother hiring men?

      Oh, and please lets not try some stupid dodge that the employers are sexist, so they hire men and pay them more because they hate women so much. If that were true, then surely they would be racist as well and never hire an illegal.

      Get over it. This nonsense that women make less than men for the same work is to tired Im surprised even you are bringing it up.

      It simply doesnt make any sense logically. Illegals are willing to work for less, thus employers hire them even though its illegal. If women were willing to work for less, then they would all be working and men would never be able to get a job.

      Time to move on out of the 70’s Dean.

      Rehashing tired old maxims simply by saying they are established fact, when they are not, is a poor argument.

      If you have an argument why employers seem to hire illegals with no problem because they do the same work for less, but all of a sudden when it comes to men they get altruistic and pay more for the same work compared to women Im willing to listen. However your claim at this point doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

      >The only “peril” Democratic politicians face is doing nothing with the power they won.

      Well, that explains why they are facing a blood bath in 2010 for pushing their key issue, health care. Yep, people seem to be really behind that one. Oh and I bet they love the end run around the Senate rules.

      As for a 5.7% growth rate, no dice there. Bush’s growth rates were in the 5’s and you guys said the economy was terrible then.

      Nice to see you getting your CBO numbers consistent this time though. Changing them twice in as many days was pretty ludicrous the last time around.

      OK, fine, lets take your high number. Two million jobs for a eight hundred billion stimulus.

      Lets figure 25% of the stimulus spent, just to give you every break possible.

      Do the math.

      Good luck with the calculator, it doesn’t come out to a figure anyone would brag about.

      I warned you the last time. Since you are unable to learn though, you made the same mistake again.

      This is getting really embarrassing for you. Three times we have gone over this, and even using your own numbers (ignoring your changing of them) and even using your highest number (ignoring that a whole mess o’ these jobs are part time) one still comes up with an astronomical figure per job.

      If you want to keep stepping in it that’s fine. I’ll all keep running the numbers and laughing every time I get to point out the absurd cost per job of BO’s nonsense.

      Toodles.

      • valley p

        “Bush’s growth rates were in the 5’s and you guys said the economy was terrible then. ”

        You should consider doing standup Rupert. Seriously. You could book into clubs that attract liberals and give a full throated defense of George Bush, pretending to be serious (or not,) and people would be rolling on the carpet, begging for you to stop.

        Here is the Bush economic record for you, one more time:

        Median income DECLINED 4.2%, He is the only president in modern history to accomplish this decline over 2 terms in office.

        The number of people living below the poverty line INCREASED by 26%.

        Children living in poverty INCREASED by 21%

        Americans without health insurance INCREASED by 20%

        Bush had the LOWEST rate of job growth of any president in 7 decades. And many of those jobs were housing boom, then bust.

        An average 2% GDP growth was the WEAKEST of any post war president. Carter was much better.

        National debt nearly doubled.

        The stock market traded way lower when he left than when he came in.

        Total per capita national wealth DECLINED over his 8 years.

        “If you want to keep stepping in it that’s fine. I’ll all keep running the numbers and laughing every time…”

        I’m totally with you on this.

        • Rupert in Springfield

          You are arguing Bush did not have growth rates in the 5’s?

          Good lord you are a fool.

          Ok, so you didn’t address that, you didn’t address my point that pretty much destroys the nonsense about women being underpaid,

          Most of all, yet again, you wanted to run away as fast as you could from the absurdly high cost per job rate of BO’s stimulus, even if we except the high side of your numbers.

          Your only counter is a bunch of statistics like “Americans living without health insurance”and children in poverty?

          Give me a break.

          You are the one who brought up growth rate, and then when I point out that you guys were criticizing the same growth rate under Bush.

          Talk about a weak argument.

          You ever get around to actually backing up one of your points instead of dodging when someone addresses them, let me know.

          Also, I would like now to officially go on record as saying that I am sorry I would have one our health care bet that you welshed on.

          I would have loved losing and paying for your and up to five of your friends (remember, I even gave you odds on that bet, you just had to buy me a beer, I was going to buy for you and up to five friends) who could actually tell me why they think your mode of argument is effective. Id love to meet a single person who felt Dean Weasel #1 (attempting to shift topic to argument no one ever made) was effective whenever you got called on something.

          Get it through your head. No one ever argued Bush was great. No one ever argued Bush had a great economy.

          Bush might not have had a great economy, but the one thing he does have over BO is he didn’t spend a fortune to make the economy worse. That’s all you guys baby.

          You own the national debt for a generation. Get used to it.

          • Rupert in Springfield

            would have won our bet.

            should probably proof read before trying to get out the door.

          • valley p

            “You are arguing Bush did not have growth rates in the 5’s?”

            I’m stating the facts on his overall economic record. It may be he had a few quarters of growth above 5%. So what? Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. He had 8 years. That is 32 quarters. His average over that time was 2%, which is anemic. Me managed to generate 2 million net jobs in all that time, which is 10% of what was generated under Clinton. The only thing he managed to increase was poverty. Good luck defending him for the next 10 or 20 years.

            “You ever get around to actually backing up one of your points instead of dodging when someone addresses them, let me know.”

            2% Rupert. 2%. That is the factual rate of GDP growth for GWB. Worst 8 year economic record since the end of WW2. You and he can run but you can’t hide.

            “Also, I would like now to officially go on record as saying that I am sorry I would have one our health care bet that you welshed on.”

            Uh oh. Rupert is changing the subjec again. Must be losing another argument. He had to dig through his closet for another old, slobbered up bone covered in hair. Yuck.

            “Bush might not have had a great economy, but the one thing he does have over BO is he didn’t spend a fortune to make the economy worse.”

            Yeah well the problem is that he actually did exactly that. He doubled the national debt, begged Congress to pass TARP, and bailed out the auto companies on his way out the door, and left the economy reeling, the stock market tanking, the debt exploding, and the unemployment rate shooting upwards and incomes going the other way. This is all a matter of public record….facts that is. Its why he had to sneak out of town with a 24% approval and Obama was treated as a beacon of light. Its why you are just about the last person on earth pretending he was not so bad.

            “You own the national debt for a generation. Get used to it. ”

            So that means that I personally have to take responsibility for 20 years of Republican Presidents unable to balance a single budget? I guess this is a new version of the conservative philosophy on taking personal responsibility. It makes perfect sense if you think about it.

  • Brodhead For Congress

    I would prefer a GPS inplant and remote vital signs system. That way the federal government could tax our energy output. Going to the bathroom would be $1. A trip to the mail box $2. The grocery store would cost $10. Sex would cost $25 unless one uses Viagra than there would be s surcharge! Of course there would still be the 2 percent war tax………………

  • Jack

    Just Kick all OPPRESSIVE Democrats out of office.

    • Anonymous

      That just might be the best comment I’ve ever read on Oregoncatalyst.com. I can think of no better or more concise manner in which to sum up the OC’s prevailing ideology. Excellent!

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  • richard

    As for Lars’s comment on having the government going thug private pay records to find so call gender discrimination. I agree. Still on the other had it a OK for Lars to force farmers to prove they looked for American workers before applying for H-2A temporary agricultural worker program. Government intrusion into private businesses is wrong, but if its “illegal immigration” then conservatives condone any blatant intrusion into private business. My only gripe about H-2A program is it is too Latin American focused. I think the world poor should have a crack a the job not just Mexicans. I bet there some Somali Christians in the dafar region who would like a shot.

    PS I love the first Question in the Jim Huffman interview, he had the right idea on immigration but at the same time I am disturbed Lars and Jim did not confront the lady racist caller, especially when she gave the fact the ethnic births will exceed White births. It me this show many in the Anti immigration movement is more about blatant racism, need to protect White mans culture than anything about fairness or as I put it, need more White babies.

  • silence dogood

    If it is true companies pay women less, for the same work when compared to men, then why don’t they hire a disproportionate number of women?

    • valley p

      That is exactly what has been happening. Women have been capturing a higher and higher percent of total jobs. Over 80% of the job losses since the start of this recession have been among men. In other words, employers are retaining women, possibly because they are paid less, and laying off men.

  • Oh Boo Hoo……

    Was this garbage thought up by some angry lesbo from NOW who hasn’t had a real job since the Carter Administration? Where is Al Queda when you need them? Let’s pay them to put a truck bomb next to their next national convention?

  • The Translator

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    #10 автомобильный салон on 2010-03-15 08:54 (Reply)

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    # 10 Automobile Salon on 2010-03-15 08:54 (Reply)

    Hey You Russians: stay on Topic — Should the government compare your paycheck to everyone else? Where are you Russians Blogging from? Moscow or Downtown Portland (not much difference) and whats with the Russian language Postings on this blog. Why not post in English?

    Also Should I worry or Should I make a call to the FBI?

    • Richard

      just a spam bot, Oregon Catalyst needs to get their act together and install some filters.

  • The Translator

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    Правительство сравнить ваши зарплаты для всех остальных?
    Где вы, русские блоги, в Москве? Whats
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    Американская ФБР?
    # 14 переводчик на 2010-03-16 01:00 (Ответить)

  • The Translator

    3 OR 4 Russians having a conversation amongst themselves thinking that know one can translate what there saying. And there not even on the, should the government compare your paycheck to everyone else topic. Yea it’s spam but maybe spy is the word. They still have not replied to my above message which says

    Hey you, Russians: Stay on topic — should the
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    Where are you, Russian blogs, in Moscow? and Whats with the
    Russian language postings on this blog. Why
    not post in English?

    also should I worry or should I call the
    FBI?

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