Let’s All Turn Over a New Leaf – Electric Cars are the Future

And, the future is now! Those fortunate enough to live in the Portland, Oregon, area can apply to get a new Nissan Leaf – one of only a few cities where this revolutionary vehicle can be purchased, charged, and driven around.

There are many naysayers who seem to think the vehicle, and others like it, will not catch on. However, they are wrong and those who do turn over a new “Leaf” will help to make the world a much better place.

Here are the tired arguments from the electric vehicle deniers:

1. Cost. The Leaf’s battery pack alone is equal to the cost of a brand new Ford Fiesta (over $15,000) so the Leaf then costs about double the Fiesta. Who would want two cars you could drive anywhere, anytime, with great mileage (40 mpg), rather than one Leaf that you can’t drive even to Eugene? I suspect no one.

2. Long charge times. The Leaf will only take eight hours to charge if you install a 240-volt charger (only an extra $2,200 plus any wiring changes needed) in your home. Most people sleep that long, so what’s the big deal? The Leaf will also fully charge in just 16 hours if you use 110 volts. Most people sleep for 8 and then relax for 8, so waiting 16 hours should not be a problem. That was almost too easy.

3. Driving range. The Leaf is advertised with a 100 mile range before the car simply stops dead in its tracks. In hot or cold conditions with heaters or air conditioners running, lights on, etc., that range is expected to drop to just 60 miles. Most people do not live more than 30 miles from work, so this range should be acceptable. In fact, as long as you don’t drive anywhere else after work you should be able to get home just fine unless there is a big hill to climb just before you get home or it is very cold or very hot or you did not have the full 16 hours to charge the Leaf the night before. End of discussion.

4. Zero-emission vehicles will save the planet. Yes, they may, which is why the Leaf is the best option – as it is totally zero emissions. However, unless you live in rare parts of the country where there is ample wind and hydro power, you are charging the car by burning coal. Half of our nation’s power is generated by burning coal, so unless you charge your leaf without using coal you have done nothing to stop pollution or global warming. In fact, you may have contributed more to global warming by charging for 16 hours using coal as your power source. But, at least your heart was in the right place even if your mind wasn’t.

5. Cool factor. There is that, of course, and you can smugly ride the streets of Portland in your Leaf, laughing at the fools and idiots in the SUV’s they don’t need and that get just 16 miles per gallon. However, were you to attempt any freeway driving and were to get in an accident – well, enough said about that.

6. Resale value. With the battery pack expected to last only 7-9 years, and the pack costing $15,000, how much will a used Leaf be worth? Absolutely nothing as the car would, at best, be worth only about $3,000 dollars and would require another $15,000 to get it back to running condition. Would you pay $18,000 dollars for a 7 to 10 year old car that barely seats 4 and can only travel about 60 miles? I suspect many will, thus this should be a non-issue. Put that baby on eBay Motors and watch the bidding wars! Or list it as a Buy it Now for just $17,000 and get ready to ship!

7. Charging station availability. Well, there will be some charging stations. You will pay an annual membership fee and several dollars an hour to charge, but unless someone else beats you to the plug, you should be fine. Gas stations may add “fast chargers”, too, which will only require 30 minutes to charge the Leaf. Imagine having to wait in a gas station for only 30 minutes so you can drive another 60 miles. You can read books on your iPhone, play Scrabble with friends over the Internet, call people, Twitter away the time…and before you know it, your car is charged and ready to go to The Dalles (just don’t go too fast, or you might only get to Hood River – and leave that air conditioner off).

Portlanders should be getting their deposit checks out and ready to sign. This is truly a once-in-a-lifetime deal that should not be missed. As you have seen, the objections to this planet-saving miracle of technology are so easily debunked it is child’s play. And child’s play is fun. Almost as fun as driving a Leaf!

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  • Rupert in Springfield

    Actually given the recent scandal with the Chevy Volt revelations (thank you Obama, more money down a rat hole) this article might not be as tongue and cheek as it sounds.

  • Founding Fathers

    So, Rupert, do you have ANY information linking the President to the decisions leading to the very minor scandal with the Volt?

    • “”

      Worth reading, especially the “ but rather a pricey $41,000 hybrid that requires a taxpayer-funded $7,500 subsidy to get car shoppers to look at it.”

      Donna

      Volt Fraud At Government Motors

      Posted 10/19/2010 06:55 PM ET

      Standing behind the first lithium-ion battery off the Brownstown, Mich., assembly line of the Chevrolet Volt in January were, from left, Rep. Sander…
      Standing behind the first lithium-ion battery off the Brownstown, Mich., assembly line of the Chevrolet Volt in January were, from left, Rep. Sander… View Enlarged Image
      Green Technology: Government Motors’ all-electric car isn’t all-electric and doesn’t get near the touted hundreds of miles per gallon. Like “shovel-ready” jobs, maybe there’s no such thing as “plug-ready” cars either.
      The Chevy Volt, hailed by the Obama administration as the electric savior of the auto industry and the planet, makes its debut in showrooms next month, but it’s already being rolled out for test drives by journalists. It appears we’re all being taken for a ride.
      When President Obama visited a GM plant in Hamtramck near Detroit a few months ago to drive a Chevy Volt 10 feet off an assembly line, we called the car an “electric Edsel.” Now that it’s about to hit the road, nothing revealed has changed our mind.
      Advertised as an all-electric car that could drive 50 miles on its lithium battery, GM addressed concerns about where you plug the thing in en route to grandma’s house by adding a small gasoline engine to help maintain the charge on the battery as it starts to run down. It was still an electric car, we were told, and not a hybrid on steroids.
      That’s not quite true. The gasoline engine has been found to be more than a range-extender for the battery. Volt engineers are now admitting that when the vehicle’s lithium-ion battery pack runs down and at speeds near or above 70 mph, the Volt’s gasoline engine will directly drive the front wheels along with the electric motors. That’s not charging the battery — that’s driving the car.
      So it’s not an all-electric car, but rather a pricey $41,000 hybrid that requires a taxpayer-funded $7,500 subsidy to get car shoppers to look at it. But gee, even despite the false advertising about the powertrain, isn’t a car that gets 230 miles per gallon of gas worth it?
      We heard GM’s then-CEO Fritz Henderson claim the Volt would get 230 miles per gallon in city conditions. Popular Mechanics found the Volt to get about 37.5 mpg in city driving, and Motor Trend reports: “Without any plugging in, (a weeklong trip to Grandma’s house) should return fuel economy in the high 30s to low 40s.”
      Car and Driver reported that “getting on the nearest highway and commuting with the 80-mph flow of traffic — basically the worst-case scenario — yielded 26 miles; a fairly spirited backroad loop netted 31; and a carefully modulated cruise below 60 mph pushed the figure into the upper 30s.”

    • Rupert in Springfield

      Well – actually I don’t have to.

      The fact that you try and portray a major scandal with the Volt as a minor one shows you yourself are aware of the Obama connection to the vehicle.

      After all, if you did not feel there was a connection, there would be no reason for you to make the ridiculous assertion that it is a minor scandal.

      Are we to believe that one of the biggest liberals on the blog, you, just all of a sudden had it pop into his head that it would be the right thing to do to downplay a major scandal with the Volt because all of a sudden you like giant car companies?

      No – you are downplaying the scandal of a car company that made false claims about its product precisely because you understand Obama’s connection to the car.

      In short – your own actions make clear you are aware of and uncomfortable with that which you ask me to prove. You have proven you understand the connection yourself with your own words my friend.

      • Rocky

        Right on Rupert. It is always major when government lies to us. And lie they did. Big time.
        No one in their right mind would buy a Volt!!

        • Founding Fathers

          Let’s see, lying about a car, lying to get us in to war…

          To the right, the former is a HUGE scandal, the second, no scandal at odd.

          Weird priorities.

      • anonymous

        How arrogant are you? Have you read back your snobbish and uncivil know it all tone?

  • Anonymous

    Another colossal waste of taxpayer’s money!

  • Kingston

    It is the future…not perfect..but the future it is…

    • Steve Plunk

      Vehicles powered by natural gas are the future. Plentiful fuel and minor changes in technology. Electric vehicles are a sideshow meant to make it look like something is being done.

    • jim karlock

      I would argue that plug in hybrids are the future for these reasons:

      1. Unlimited range

      2. They cost a lot less than pure electric.

      3. They are a minor modification of vehicles currently in production without subsidies.

      4. Electric for the first few miles each day. You can balance the pure electric miles against cost of the battery pack. As batteries get cheaper, the same money will get longer pure electric range.

      5. Since the average commute to work is about 16 miles, a 16 mile range will make you petro free if you can charge at work!

      6. Soon charging outlets (not those silly multi thousand dollar things going in now) will be widely available, like engine block heater outlets in cold regions.

      7. Even the first generation with a 15 mile range could cut petro consumption enough to eliminate imported oil.

      Thanks
      JK

  • valley p

    Jerry…how about live and let live? If some people find the Leaf or another electric car fits their needs, great. Its a lot less air pollution and leaves more fossil fuels for the rest of us to use up . (They can rent a gas powered car for the occasional drive to Eugene). If it doesn’t fit your needs, also great. You can continue to putter around in your SUV tank that is 3 times as large as it needs to be for 99% of your use and continue to feel smug about it as long as you avoid rollovers. To each their own eh?

    • Steve Plunk

      Electric cars are really coal powered cars since that’s where most of the electricity comes from. When it’s all totaled up these cars are about as green as a Hummer. A hair shirt for liberals wracked with guilt.

      • valley p

        Not in Oregon, Washington, or California. Very little coal powered energy here, and in a few years there won’t be any in Oregon.

        • Steve Plunk

          The Volt and Leaf will be sold nationally. You can try to misdirect as usual but my point stands, these are not green cars. Buying a used car is better for the environment. Like I said, a hair shirt to be worn by liberals.

          • valley p

            “Buying a used car is better for the environment.”

            Depends on the car Steve. A used Hummer? Not so much. A used Prius replacing a Hummer? Now you are talking.

            What you should stop to think about is that electric cars are just part of a much bigger picture. Changing the mix of electrical energy production is another part. Improving distribution is another. We are on track to get 20% of Us electrical energy from wind within 20 years. In fact we are ahead of schedule. Coal is on the way out unless or until sequestration becomes feasible. Boardman will be shut down within a decade. Change is happening Steve. You can slow it down but you can’t stop it. Even the next round of trucks you buy are going to be more fuel efficient.

            To you it may be a hair shirt. To we liberals it is organically grown cotton. Or maybe hemp.

          • Rupert in Springfield

            >Depends on the car Steve. A used Hummer? Not so much. A used Prius replacing a Hummer? Now you are talking.

            No it doesn’t, and your argument doesn’t even support this. It depends on the comparison, as you change the comparison, not the car.

            Lets argue this Dean style and introduce comparisons no one ever mentioned

            Buying a used Hummer better for the environment than buying used Prius:

            Buying a Hummer to avoid the special needs van coming to pick you up – better for the environment, far less gas used.

            Buying a Prius to replace your motorcycle – Not so much.

            Once you start saying things like “buying a Prius to replace a Hummer, you are not talking about the car but about the comparison.

            I so seriously wish I had lost our bet you welshed on. I would have loved to have bought beers for five people you could muster who believe in your nonsense.

        • jim karlock

          Again, Dean shows his ignorance:

          1. NW power is double digit coal. In fact 42% of Oregon’s “greenhouse gas” emissions come from electric generation. Merely switching this to nuclear meets the near term goal of a 40% reduction. But the greens that care more about trees, bugs and rats then they care about people, say we can’t use nuclear.

          2. When we shut down the coal plants, there will be no power for electric cars or MAX and we will have rolling blackouts. We can then thank Dean and the rest of the ignorant green fools that run this state. And we can hope that the reaction will be to toss out all of those green idiots that have been lying to us for years.

          Thanks
          JK

          • valley p

            “But the greens that care more about trees, bugs and rats then they care about people, say we can’t use nuclear.”

            Weird. I thought it was the people who were the concern. I didn’t know we were immune from radiation.

            Regardless, nukes are not being built because of market reasons. Their electricity is too expensive. Raise the price of coal with a carbon tax and nukes might be competitive.

            “When we shut down the coal plants, there will be no power for electric cars or MAX and we will have rolling blackouts.”

            Oh don’t worry so much Jim. Have a little faith in BPA and PGE. They’ll figure it out even if you can’t.

            By the way…I’m running the state? Oh the joy! The rapture!

          • Rupert in Springfield

            >Oh don’t worry so much Jim. Have a little faith in BPA and PGE. They’ll figure it out even if you can’t.

            So essentially what you are saying is the solution is to rely on magic?

            I love how this works:

            First greens invent this nonsense that the need to go with their solutions is science based -the AGW crokery being an example of that.

            If you question them on that they spew this nonsense that every scientific organization agress with them – something that has about as much credibility as saying every oil company insists offshore drilling is hazard free.

            Then when you point out that even if their basis is true, none of their solutions work out economically.

            At that point Magic will be the solution – BPA or PGE will just simply “work something out”

            I have a better solution – why not just stop with the green nonsense and rely on the Earth, God or for Dean Gaia just “working something out”.

          • valley p

            “So essentially what you are saying is the solution is to rely on magic?”

            Well, if you think the energy experts and engineers at BPA and PGE rely on magic, then I guess maybe so. I think they rely on analysis, evaluation of options, selection, and implementation. But maybe you know something I don’t.

            “the AGW crokery being an example of that.”

            and “If you question them on that they spew this nonsense that every scientific organization agress with them – something that has about as much credibility as saying every oil company insists offshore drilling is hazard free. ”

            Uh no Rupert. It doesn’t work that way. It is WE who agree with the scientific establishment, not the other way around. Greens did not make up gloabal warming. Science uncovered it, and greens are trying to prod the public and politicians to take science seriously. Scientific organizations are neutral bodies who’s only stake is understanding reality. Oil companies are profit oriented companies who have an obvious incentive to shade reality in their direction.

            “Then when you point out that even if their basis is true, none of their solutions work out economically.”

            Only they do. There have been multiple economic analysis of transitioning away from fossil fuels, including the CBO score on the House cap and trade bill. Very affordable, but not cost free.

            “I have a better solution – why not just stop with the green nonsense and rely on the Earth, God or for Dean Gaia just “working something out”. ”

            Yes…well if we re-elect you know-nothing Republicans to run things that will be the option I guess. Me worry? Naw. Let the planet figure it out. Science schmience.

          • jim karlock

            *Dean Apostile hiding his identity behind valley p:* Uh no Rupert. It doesn’t work that way. It is WE who agree with the scientific establishment, not the other way around.
            *JK:* Glad to see that you are finally giving up that crackpot idea that man is causing dangerous warming and are now agreeing with most scientists that there is NO dangerous man-caused global warming. For instance most AMS members DO NOT believe that man is causing dangerous warming.

            *Dean Apostile hiding his identity behind valley p:* Greens did not make up gloabal warming. Science uncovered it, and greens are trying to prod the public and politicians to take science seriously.
            *JK:* Actually the greens DID create global warming. Its just that a few of these nuts managed to get doctorate degrees. Then additional liars like Al Gore came on board any made useful idiots out of a bunch of Hollywood stars, whose career is built on appearing sincere while reading scripts, and attracted a lot of profit seeking companies like the Wall street bankers and carbon traders.

            *Dean Apostile hiding his identity behind valley p:* Scientific organizations are neutral bodies who’s only stake is understanding reality.
            *JK:* Absolute ignorant garbage. Most scientific bodies are controlled by scientific illiterates. Look at how the Royal society recently was forced, by its members to tone down their AGW garbage. The AMS official position is man is causing warming, while a survey of its members shows the opposite.

            *Dean Apostile hiding his identity behind valley p:* Oil companies are profit oriented companies who have an obvious incentive to shade reality in their direction.
            *JK:* So are AGW hucksters like Al Gore, GE, Shell Oil, greedy Wall street firms, carbon traders, ….

            *Dean Apostile hiding his identity behind valley p:* Only they do. There have been multiple economic analysis of transitioning away from fossil fuels, including the CBO score on the House cap and trade bill. Very affordable, but not cost free.
            *JK:* Then you can tell us which renewable electricity source costs less than or the same as our current coal/gas/hydro. And I mean TODAY, NOT SOME GREEN DAYDREAM FOR THE FUTURE.

            Still waiting.

            Thanks
            JK

          • valley p

            Jim Karlock, hiding under tin foil hat…..

            Enough said.

          • jim karlock

            *Hey Dean*
            We are still waiting for you to tell us where we are going to get your green energy at the current cost or less.

            And I mean get it in before any of those crackpot laws reducing CO2 kick in, so we don’t end up paying more for energy.

            Thanks
            JK

          • valley p

            Presently available green energy is less cost to the atmosphere, the climate, and adapting to a changed climate. Fossil fuels are the most costly form of energy there is, but the costs are passed on to others. Its a scam where some can be wasteful at others expense.

          • jim karlock

            *Dean Apostle:* Presently available green energy is less cost to the atmosphere, the climate, and adapting to a changed climate.
            *JK:* You are obviously trying to slither out of answering the question. Lets try again:

            *Hey Dean*
            We are still waiting for you to tell us where we are going to get your green energy at the current *monetary cost, per kw-hr, to the consumer* or less.

            And I mean get it before any of those crackpot laws reducing CO2 kick in, so we don’t end up paying more for energy.

            Thanks
            JK

          • valley p

            Why would you discount the monetary cost that is passed on to others? Why pretend it doesn’t exist? The field of economics says we should account for externalities. What do you have against economics?

          • jim karlock

            *Dean Apostle:* What do you have against economics?
            *JK:* What do you have against a straight answer:

            *will people’s monthly electric bill go up* (assuming the same usage.)
            *and by how much*

            Thanks
            JK

          • valley p

            “will people’s monthly electric bill go up (assuming the same usage.)
            and by how much”

            I don’t know, and I don’t know. But as luck would have it, our monthly electric bills are not set in stone. They go up, rarely down, based on a lot of factors. Let’s ask this question.

            Are people in the Northwest willing to pay more for electricity if this means lowering the amount of pollution?

          • jim karlock

            *Dean Apostle:* Are people in the Northwest willing to pay more for electricity if this means lowering the amount of pollution?
            *jk:* This thread is NOT about pollution. It is about CO2 & responding to the global warming fraud.

            Thanks
            JK

          • valley p

            Well, CO2 has been officially, legally, and scientifically classified as a pollutant, so you lose. And before you start claiming it is “natural” and therefore can’t be a pollutant, consider that your and my poop are also natural and definitely are pollutants.

          • jim karlock

            *Dean Apostile:* CO2 has been officially, legally, and scientifically classified as a pollutant
            *JK:* You are merely arguing from authority. We all know that the political, scientifically illiterate, hacks bought Al Gore’s lies hook line and sinker.

            But you also claimed science. And that is NOT TRUE. Why don’t you show us this science, not just some political hack’s rants like Al Gore or Obama or the IPCC (which is ruled by political hacks)

            I have been asking for the evidence for years now and the best your side has been able to come up with is the laughable conclusion of the IPCC that, in effect, “we can’t figure out any other explanation, so it must be man’s CO2 that is causing warming”.

            Do you have anything better than this laughable, grade school level, logic?

            Thanks
            JK

    • Jerry

      The article, if you read it, actually supports these most excellent and cost-effective vehicles. Turn, turn, turn and new leaf….

  • John Lloyd Scharf

    Once you factor in for the fact that we have to increase use of coal fired generators for every extra watt of electricity in Oregon, electric cars are worse than diesel or gas. We would be better off with natural gas, but we just love importing coal from West Virginia. Oregonians love to recycle bad ideas like electric cars. If Kitzhaber gets in, my point is proven.

  • berry

    So the best incentive Oregon can offer is a $1500 tax credit when California is offering a $5000 cash rebate and Hawaii a $4500 cash rebate. Last progressive thing this state ever did was the bottle bill in the 70’s lol Pretty pathetic effort to encourage Oregonians to drive electric Oregon.

    • Steve Plunk

      Of course we’re broke but whatever, let’s keep spending money we don’t have in order to encourage the use of a poor product. Ah, the progressive mind failing to grasp the most elementary concept like there’s no money.

    • Ricky

      If Oregon would give me $8,000 I would get a Leaf for sure.

  • Kingston

    That is nearly double the cash for clunkers rebate

    • Ricky

      I know, but the car is already a clunker, so I should get at least that much.

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