Lars Larson on Obamacare

Have you stopped to think about what the pending Obamacare might do to small business and employment?

The Congressional Budget Office has a few thoughts about Obamacare. The problem is that they are saying shared responsibility payments will bring in $36 billion over ten years. That’s assuming they will also bring in $750 per worker, an annual fee.

Investor’s Business Daily has pointed out a problem with that estimate. If you are a small business below 25 employees, you don’t have to comply with this nonsense. But, if you go beyond 25 employees you’re taking part and you are paying the fees.

That is going to be a real problem if a small business decides to expand and provide more jobs in this poor economy. They’re going to have to think about whether or not they want to fall under Obamacare and whether or not those costs are going to make them unprofitable.

Can’t you just wait for the arrival of Obmamcare? Ya, me too.

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  • Joe

    Obamacare will hurt everyone – not just small business.
    It is the stupiest idea yet to come out of Washington.
    People are catching on, too.
    No one in their right mind would want such a fiasco.
    What a sad joke.
    Fools all if you ask me.

  • Reper

    I was not familiar that Obama laid out actual details.

  • Darrell

    I agree with Lars. “Reforma” Obama Pelosi take over of Healthcare
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CyZhOirPTU&feature=player_embedded

  • Roadrunner

    Though “Obamacare” doesn’t go far enough, it actually will help small businesses. Right now, very few small businesses are able to provide health insurance for their employees. If small business employees are able to receive health insurance coverage, it will make those jobs more attractive to talented people.

    • Jerry

      What utter nonsense.

      The employees can get their own coverage, then, if it so important to them. Maybe cancel a few movies with Netflix and maybe postpone a trip or a new plasma tv.

      We don’t need or want government intervention into health care. The government has proven it can’t run much of anything with the exception of the armed forces, and even those are rampant with waste.

      It really is that simple.

    • Sybella

      Why in the world is it a businesses responsibility in the first place, to provide health care coverage to employees. Most of them aren’t interested if they have to take any responsibility for sharing cost.

      If a business wants to provide that coverage and believes it is the way to go, They should go for it.

      If a business does not want to provide that coverage and does not believe it is the way to go, they should go for it.

      That is what freedom is about.

      Health insurance is a personal choice and should not be mandated. There is all kinds of information out there as to what could be done to cut the cost of health care and it is all ignored because progressives and government want the control

      Who in the world made them God?

      • Scottiebill

        Obamacare is NOT about health care by any stretch of the imagination. It is about government control. Nothing more. Nothing less.

        Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

  • John in Oregon

    Reaper is quite correct that Obama has given few details. He has limited his comments generally to accusing doctors of improper diagnosis of sore throat etc.

    The specifics come from the language in the legislation. Even then details are hard to isolate. Much of the legislation creates general categories and mandates that apply but leave the details to some committee.

    In this piece Lars was focusing on the economic and business aspect of the legislation. There are other aspects as well such as the actual delivery of medical services.

    To illustrate that lack of details in the legislation mandates I will use an example from the medical side.

    Pg 354 Sec 1177 of the House bill mandates that Government will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people. The determination of who, exactly, is “special needs” would be made by a committee or panel some where.

    The list of likely candidates for “special needs” would include; Downs Syndrome, Huntingtons, Cerebral Palsy, Autistism, Parkinsons, Taysax, Hemophilia, Sickle-cell disease, Muscular Dystrophy, Cystic Fibrosis, ALS, Mental Retardation, ADHD, Fetal Alcohol Spectrum, Tourette Syndrome, Dyslexia, and Quadriplegic.

    The appearance of your affliction on the exclusion list depends on the committee decision. Your affliction may not be included if a famous person such as Stephen Hawking, or Michael J Fox also suffers from the disease.

    What concerns me most is that the legislation places government in charge of private health care. If Downs Syndrome is on the excluded list a Downs Syndrome child will receive no health care even if the child’s parents pay for the care.

    I’m not sure that’s where this country should be going. Especially without any discussion of those moral and ethical issues.

    ———-

    I am not a doctor and I was totally insulted by Obama’s accusation that doctors prescribe tonsillectomies based on fee schedules.

    First, a pediatrician has nothing to gain financially. If he recommends a tonsillectomy it will be performed by a surgeon so he has no financial benefit.

    Second, a surgeon is not going to perform the tonsillectomy unless he concurs in the diagnosis. That’s an automatic second opinion.

    Third, when the tonsillectomy is completed the tissue will be examined by a pathologist. (Third opinion) this is done to insure that nothing extraordinary like cancer or major infection is overlooked. Malpractice lawsuits have made this a standard procedure.

    Any surgeon that demonstrated a high level of negative pathology results or unwarranted procedures would be subject to professional sanction.

    Obama’s sore throat is an insult to doctors!

  • Rupert in Springfield

    The telling thing is Obama did not know what was in the bill.

    Now, a lot of people would seize on this as an indication of him being stupid, or incapable of speaking without his teleprompter or thinking it was outrageous someone should even ask him such an impertinent question.

    It’s really none of these. The thing is the impetuous among politicians for national health care has nothing to do with health care. Do you really think they want to help you? Do you seriously think the four thousand million uninsured are keeping these people awake at night and by golly they just have got to help them?

    Come on, be serious. This is the crowd of Nancy Pelosi and Senator Ma’am. They jet around the globe to go out to dinner and then demand you conserve and drive around in an emasculation device your father would barely recognize as a car, and would dope slap you if he saw you in it.

    It’s about control, Obama et. al. are very aware of the control aspects of health care, and the money aspects. That’s what motivates them. They love the idea of a huge new pool of money along with added controls over the citizenry. That is their sole motivation, the rubrics of health care or global warming are simply the sweetened polyurethane swabbed on with a mop to give it a cheap shine so you will buy it.

    So that’s why Obama didn’t know what was in the bill. He didn’t care because it didn’t concern him. He’s not stupid. All he looked at was the massive amount of money, along with every aspect the government could now control over your lives. However flawed the bill might have been, it was a foot in the door. Once people get used to free stuff, they will want more. So whatever was lacking in the control or money department could always be fixed later. the bill could be added to, and the people once hooked would gladly relinquish more control to get more free stuff.

    Think I am wrong? Go into your bathroom. This time don’t take along any reading material. The toilet you sit on, the shower head you wash with, the shower faucet, all are prescribed by the federal government. The interstate commerce clause has somehow been construed so now you get to flush the toilet a few times instead of once, and shower in a dribbling fog. You think for five seconds if they can construe that to regulate your toilet flushing habits that they wont run every aspect of your life after they have health care?

    Sure hope you like tofu.

    • v. person

      “The telling thing is Obama did not know what was in the bill.”

      Which bill Rupert? There are at least 5 versions in various committees.

      “The thing is the impetuous among politicians for national health care has nothing to do with health care. Do you really think they want to help you? ”

      Yep. Those in favor at least want to bring the US of A into the 20th century community of wealthy nations that all provide at least a basic level of health insurance and health care access to their citizens. Those opposed don’t give a Rat’s *** about you or me. They did care about Terry Shiavo’s health care to the point of obsession. But that is water under the bridge.

      “They jet around the globe to go out to dinner and then demand you conserve and drive around in an emasculation device your father would barely recognize as a car…”

      First, they “jet around” because that is part of their job. They need to interact with the world, including their own constituents from time to time, and jetting is actually the most efficient method time wise. They allow other people to jet around as well. I myself will be on one next week. And I have not noticed any of them, Pelosi included, express any interest in what vehicle I am driving, though they have offered me an incentive to trade in a gas guzzler if I had one. No demands. Just cash money if I take them up on it.

      “They love the idea of a huge new pool of money along with added controls over the citizenry. That is their sole motivation,…”

      Then why did the House bill on cap and trade give carbon credits away rather then sell them?

      “However flawed the bill might have been, it was a foot in the door…”

      Leaving aside the fact there are 5 different bills. Obama already has a big foot in the door on health care. Its called Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA as well as state regulation of insurance companies. You and yours will in all likelihood be signed up for socialized insurance the day you turn 65. We already have it. It is just arbitrarily restricted by age.

      “Once people get used to free stuff, they will want more.”

      Depends on what it is. But in the case of health insurance, it isn’t and won’t be “free.” It will be subsidized for lower income folks, as it already is to some. But most of us will continue to pay either through taxes or by buying private insurance.

      “Think I am wrong? ”

      Well duh.

      “The toilet you sit on, the shower head you wash with, the shower faucet, all are prescribed by the federal government.”

      I think you mean with respect to how much water they emit. Not what color they are, what design, material, who makes it, and so forth. But let me ask you. Has this somehow diminished your existence? Entire parts of the nation, inlcuding Texas ironically, are running very short on water. In your world, should people be able to waste as much of it as they want?

      “You think for five seconds if they can construe that to regulate your toilet flushing habits that they wont run every aspect of your life after they have health care?”

      First, they don’t “regulate my toilet flushing habits. They regulate the type of toilet that I can purchase. BFD. Second, they already “have” health care once you turn 65. I suppose you would rather stick with private insurers who will scour the fine print to drop you like a rotten fig once you make a serious claim on your policy. And good luck with that.

      Tofu is ok under certain circumstances, well prepared and disguised. But a little goes a long way. And it does give one gas.

      • Rupert in Springfield

        Nice to see you dropped the nutty “Rupert has a campaign to get me banned” stuff.

        • v. person

          OK…maybe not a campaign. But I believe you keep dropping the name dean into your responses for a purpose, which is to get others to do your dirty work for you. As it turns out it may not be Catalyst that has banned dean and valley person, but some yahoo that hacks into the site to do so. Fear of debate is pretty silly don’t you agree? I mean, if one believes one is on the right side and is making a cogent, defensible, fact supported argument, why fear or loathe someone who has a counter view? Why not just counter the counter and maybe strenghten one’s position in the process? Or conversely learn something new.

          Now back to Obama and health care. You did not bother to counter my counter. Empty quiver?

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  • Jerry

    Relax people. The plan is a joke.
    Plain and simple.
    A complete and total waste of time and money.
    It is absurd.

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