No on 66-67 posters released. Campaign heats up.

Oregonians Against Job Killing Taxes has come out with their posters to help defeat Measure 66 and 67 the two referendum ballot measures that raise business and income taxes on Oregonians. One of the posters has President Obama’s own words where he aptly said, “The last thing we want to do is raise taxes in the middle of a recession”. Who are we to question Obama’s judgment? The other poster warns about 70,000 jobs lost, business closings and double taxation. Both are a little larger than traditional signs (18″ x 24″) and the campaign is hoping people place them on business windows and other high visibility areas.

Because the campaign rolls right through Christmas, will the public dare to errect political posters next to Santa? . The tension of this race will only get stronger every day now until election time.

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  • Jerry

    There should not be any tension in this situation. People who think the taxes should go up are out of their minds.
    They can always send more money to Salem if they want to, but they never do.
    If Oregonians want to pay more taxes they will see us grab the number one position for unemployment, rather than the 4th position we now hold.
    How wonderful.

  • Reper

    I bet you hear a complaint from the Obama folks on the use of his picture. But then again so did the AP photo guy who took it and saw the campaign runaway with it.

    • Oregonian

      Complaint.

      And these measures keep my friend the teacher employed, my friend the senior with Type II diabetes getting in-home care and my old friend from HS the police officer employed.

      70,000 lost jobs is bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. I don’t know where or how they found that number, but it’s bullshit.

      I spend all my time (literally around 60-80 hours a week) working with small business owners in ALL parts of Oregon, and many of them don’t object to these increases. Going from $10 a year to $150 a year is not going to close the business and is not going to force staff layoffs. Know what will? Blocking health care reform in its current state. Small businesses are getting screwed. Most small businesses in Oregon, from the current House health care bill, will save $3500 per year per employee. That doesn’t sound like a burden, does it? The burden is only getting two insurance companies to even give you a quote, and having those two quotes be EXORBITANT.

      Double taxation doesn’t even mean anything! I pay taxes on my income, my gasoline, my this and my that. We’re all taxed in a variety of ways. “Double taxation” is just a spook tactic.

      Higher prices where? For what?! Because a company like Intel goes from paying $10 a year to paying $150 a year I’m going to see an increase in the cost of my computer? I don’t think so.

      This poster is complete and utter garbage. Misleading the public like this is NOT the Oregon way, and I’m sickened by it. Redoubling my efforts to help the YES campaign, starting tomorrow.

      • capor

        I don’t understand the angry, nasty, mindless blabber of a liberal like this when they try to argue a point with total trash talk. So many of them call us conservatives un-educated fools and then prove beyond doubt how backwards they really are. Nice job Oregonian. I will use your post as a quote in a number of arguments against your little friends so that they can see what kind of characters their belief system brings out of the bat caves.

        I will be posting several of the 4′ x 8′ signs around the country on behalf of OAJKT, and one right in front of my business that will be impacted by taxes on GROSS revenues if these measures pass. If the measures were only about a $150 minimum tax increase none of this would have happened.

      • snow

        These posters are not the Oregon way. It’s time for the ‘Oregon Way’ to go by the wayside. It might bring us hope and change and you wouldn’t have to spend so much time helping Oregon businesses. I’m sure glad you aren’t helping mine. I resent having people like you thinking you can spend my money better than me.

        A few teachers should be out of a job. They don’t teach the kids much anyway.

      • Up from Bend

        It may start with an increase of $140 in small business taxes but what happens in 2 years when they want another increase? Why stop there? The counties should tax them as well. How about a city tax too? It’s only a matter of time before those entities start running out of money as well. I don’t believe they can count on the state to bail them out. Why not the local businesses? There is more to the state of Oregon than three counties. You would know this if you’ve worked with Central Oregon small businesses. Just vote NO!

  • Anonymous

    I am confused – if we want to cut taxes, we vote NO?

    • The Bill Post Radio Show

      Hi Anonymous: this is JUST what the Democratic leadership in our legislature WANTS the voters to be confused on. Please listen to The Bill Post Radio Show on AM 1430 KYKN at noon today for a great explanation of the measures with Senator Chris Telfer who was on the measure writing committee.
      YES means Raise taxes
      NO means Don’t raise taxes.
      Don’t let the ballot measure language confuse you!
      You can also listen to the show online at http://www.1430kykn.com

  • Rupert in Springfield

    You know I have never understood the taxes should go up crowd. Do they ever look at the total amount sent in? When the federal tax receipts were $1.6 trillion, a number that is inconceivable to the majority, I asked them how much would be enough. I could never get an answer, but they knew it wasn’t enough. I then asked how much was $1.6T, none knew. Rounded to the nearest hundred feet, how high a stack of money would it be if it was stacked in hundreds? Could they tell me if 1.6 trillion was equal to the number of cars in the US? In the World? How about beer cans? Nope, no idea. So they couldn’t even grasp the figure but they knew it wasn’t enough. I find that very curious, because what that means is that no matter what, it will never be enough since enough is some amount beyond a number we have already established as inconceivable. That’s kind of scary.

    There is a trick to thinking of one trillion, think of doubling your tax bill. One trillion is roughly the amount from income tax receipts alone. So, when BO runs a one trillion dollar deficit, that means he has just committed the entire tax receipts from everyone in the country for just his additional stuff. But what about the original stuff in the budget, not just BO’s shopping spree stuff? That’s right, every time BO spends a trillion, it would take a doubling of your tax bill for one year to pay it off.

    Anyway, I think the lets raise taxes crowd falls into two groups:

    The envy crowd – Your taxes should go up, not mine – This bunch is understandable, they think that by throwing some to the lions the beast will be sated and not come to feed on them. My favorite line from this crowd? “Well, companies should just look at these increases as simply the cost of doing business”. Of course the corresponding statement to theirs – “If that’s true, then you need to look at increased prices as simply the cost of living in this state” is greeted with derision and suggestions of greed. At this point the suggestion “ok, so you are saying I should do with less, but you should not for to do otherwise makes me greedy? I am supposed to take that as a serious statement?” usually adds a lot of spice and zest to the conversation.

    The haughty crowd – I make a lot of money, I’m perfectly willing to pay higher taxes, its an honor and it should be to you as well – This bunch I will never get. Look, I am really proud of my ability to unclog a drain. If I pay more in taxes can I therefore expect you to help plunge my toilet? Everyone should be proud of something in their lives. A lot of the things people are proud of others see as stupid. There is something haughty about saying that paying a few more thousand is nothing to you therefore it should be nothing to others as well. Capitalism has its downsides, however the thing that makes Socialism uniquely despicable is that its remedy for failure is to drag more people onto a sinking ship.

    • v person

      “If I pay more in taxes can I therefore expect you to help plunge my toilet?”

      Yes of course. But only if you can also pass a program that includes toilet unplugging covered by taxation. Otherwise no. Your taxes pay for programs in place.

      “There is something haughty about saying that paying a few more thousand is nothing to you therefore it should be nothing to others as well.”

      I is equally haughty to say I don’t need this or that from government so therefore no one else should need it either.

      Yes, capitalism and socialism both have their downsides, which is exactly why a mixed system, some of each, is the best, or least bad system.

      • Anonymous

        The Economist Intelligence Unit’s Quality-of-Life Index (2005)
        https://www.economist.com/media/pdf/QUALITY_OF_LIFE.PDF

        Determinants of quality of life

        The nine quality-of-life factors, and the indicators used to represent these factors, are:

        1. Material wellbeing – gdp per person, at ppp in $. Source: Economist Intelligence Unit

        2. Health – Life expectancy at birth, years. Source: us Census Bureau

        3. Political stability and security – Political stability and security ratings. Source: Economist
        Intelligence Unit

        4. Family life – Divorce rate (per 1,000 population), converted into index of 1 (lowest divorce rates) to 5 (highest). Sources: un; Euromonitor

        5. Community life – Dummy variable taking value 1 if country has either high rate of church attendance or trade-union membership; zero otherwise. Sources: ilo; World Values Survey

        6. Climate and geography – Latitude, to distinguish between warmer and colder climes.
        Source: cia World Factbook

        7. Job security – Unemployment rate, %. Sources: Economist Intelligence Unit; ilo.

        8. Political freedom – Average of indices of political and civil liberties. Scale of 1 (completely free) to 7 (unfree). Source: Freedom House

        9. Gender equality – Ratio of average male and female earnings, latest available data. Source: undp Human Development Report

        Rank Country or territory Quality of Life Score (out of 10)

        1 Ireland 8.333
        2 Switzerland 8.068
        3 Norway 8.051
        4 Luxembourg 8.015
        5 Sweden 7.937
        6 Australia 7.925
        7 Iceland 7.911
        8 Italy 7.810
        9 Denmark 7.797
        10 Spain 7.727
        11 Singapore 7.719
        12 Finland 7.618
        13 United States 7.615
        14 Canada 7.599
        15 New Zealand 7.436
        16 Netherlands 7.433
        17 Japan 7.392
        18 Hong Kong 7.347
        19 Portugal 7.307
        20 Austria 7.268
        21 Taiwan 7.259
        22 Greece 7.163
        23 Cyprus 7.097
        24 Belgium 7.095
        25 France 7.084
        26 Germany 7.048
        27 Slovenia 6.986
        28 Malta 6.934
        29 United Kingdom 6.917
        30 South Korea 6.877
        31 Chile 6.789
        32 Mexico 6.766
        33 Barbados 6.702
        34 Czech Republic 6.629
        35 Costa Rica 6.624
        36 Malaysia 6.608
        37 Hungary 6.534
        38 Israel 6.488
        39 Brazil 6.470
        40 Argentina 6.469
        41 Qatar 6.462
        42 Thailand 6.436
        43 Sri Lanka 6.417
        44 Philippines 6.381
        45 Slovakia 6.381
        46 Uruguay 6.368
        47 Panama 6.361
        48 Poland 6.309
        49 Croatia 6.301
        50 Turkey 6.286
        51 Trinidad and Tobago 6.278
        52 Ecuador 6.272
        53 Peru 6.216
        54 Colombia 6.176
        55 Kuwait 6.171
        56 El Salvador 6.164
        57 Bulgaria 6.162
        58 Romania 6.105
        59 Venezuela 6.089
        60 China 6.083
        61 Vietnam 6.080
        62 Bahrain 6.035
        63 Lithuania 6.033
        64 Jamaica 6.022
        65 Morocco 6.018
        66 Latvia 6.008
        67 Oman 5.916
        68 Estonia 5.905
        69 United Arab Emirates 5.899
        70 Libya 5.849
        71 Indonesia 5.814
        72 Saudi Arabia 5.767
        73 India 5.759
        74 Paraguay 5.756
        75 Jordan 5.675
        76 Nicaragua 5.663
        77 Bangladesh 5.646
        78 Albania 5.634
        79 Dominican Republic 5.630
        80 Egypt 5.605
        81 Algeria 5.571
        82 Bolivia 5.492
        83 Tunisia 5.472
        84 Serbia 5.428
        85 Armenia 5.422
        86 Azerbaijan 5.377
        87 Georgia 5.365
        88 Iran 5.343
        89 Macedonia 5.337
        90 Guatemala 5.321
        91 Honduras 5.250
        92 South Africa 5.245
        93 Pakistan 5.229
        94 Bosnia and Herzegovina 5.218
        95 Ghana 5.174
        96 Kazakhstan 5.082
        97 Syria 5.052
        98 Ukraine 5.032
        99 Moldova 5.009
        100 Belarus 4.978
        101 Uganda 4.879
        102 Turkmenistan 4.870
        103 Kyrgyzstan 4.846
        104 Botswana 4.810
        105 Russia 4.796
        106 Uzbekistan 4.767
        107 Tajikistan 4.754
        108 Nigeria 4.505
        109 Tanzania 4.495
        110 Haiti 4.090
        111 Zimbabwe 3.892

      • Anonymous

        Tax revenue as a percentage of GDP (according to the Heritage Foundation)

        Timor-Leste 109.7
        Kiribati 91.6
        Denmark 50.0
        Sweden 49.7
        Zimbabwe 49.3
        Belgium 46.8
        France 46.1
        Cuba 44.8
        Finland 43.6
        Norway 43.6
        Austria 43.4
        Lesotho 42.9
        Italy 42.6
        Bosnia-Herzegovina 41.2
        Germany 40.6
        Iceland 40.4
        Swaziland 39.8
        Netherlands 39.5
        Slovenia 39.3
        United Kingdom 39.0
        Brazil 38.8
        Ukraine 38.1
        Hungary 37.3
        Spain 37.3
        Portugal 37.0
        Russia 36.9
        Israel 36.8
        Cyprus 36.6
        New Zealand 36.5
        Luxembourg 36.4
        Czech Republic 36.3
        Botswana 35.2
        Malta 35.2
        Bulgaria 34.4
        Serbia 34.1
        Ireland 34.0
        Moldova 33.8
        Mongolia 33.8
        Poland 33.8
        Greece 33.5
        Canada 33.4
        Barbados 32.6
        Turkey 32.5
        Seychelles 32.0
        Guyana 31.9
        Estonia 31.1
        Australia 30.5
        Latvia 30.4
        Dominica 30.3
        Switzerland 30.1
        Slovakia 29.5
        Macedonia 29.3
        Namibia 28.8
        United States 28.2
        Romania 28.1
        Montenegro 28.0
        Trinidad and Tobago 28.0
        Japan 27.4
        Jamaica 27.2
        Bolivia 27.0
        Tonga 27.0
        South Africa 26.9
        Kazakhstan 26.8
        Korea, South 26.8
        Croatia 26.6
        Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 26.5
        Samoa 25.5
        Venezuela 25.0
        Solomon Islands 24.7
        Papua New Guinea 24.5
        Belarus 24.2
        Saint Lucia 23.1
        Uruguay 23.1
        Cape Verde 23.0
        Colombia 23.0
        Albania 22.9
        Argentina 22.9
        Morocco 22.3
        Suriname 22.1
        Fiji 21.8
        Georgia 21.7
        Belize 21.6
        Kyrgyzstan 21.4
        Jordan 21.1
        Uzbekistan 21.0
        Lithuania 20.9
        Ghana 20.8
        Malawi 20.7
        Maldives 20.5
        Turkmenistan 20.2
        Macau 20.1
        Djibouti 20.0
        Senegal 19.2
        Gambia 18.9
        Bahamas, The 18.7
        Kenya 18.4
        Cameroon 18.2
        Mauritius 18.1
        Azerbaijan 17.8
        Nicaragua 17.8
        Vanuatu 17.8
        India 17.7
        Burundi 17.4
        Sao Tome and Principe 17.4
        Chile 17.1
        China, People’s Republic of 17.0
        Thailand 17.0
        Tajikistan 16.5
        Zambia 16.1
        Egypt 15.8
        Honduras 15.6
        Malaysia 15.5
        Togo 15.5
        Benin 15.4
        Mauritania 15.4
        Côte d’Ivoire 15.3
        Mali 15.3
        Sri Lanka 15.3
        Peru 15.1
        Dominican Republic 15.0
        Tunisia 14.9
        Lebanon 14.4
        Philippines 14.4
        Armenia 14.1
        Rwanda 14.1
        Costa Rica 14.0
        Vietnam 13.8
        Mozambique 13.4
        El Salvador 13.3
        Congo, Democratic Republic of 13.2
        Ecuador 13.2
        Liberia 13.2
        Singapore 13.0
        Hong Kong 12.8
        Uganda 12.6
        China, Republic of (Taiwan) 12.4
        Micronesia 12.3
        Comoros 12.0
        Paraguay 12.0
        Tanzania 12.0
        Guatemala 11.9
        Ethiopia 11.6
        Burkina Faso 11.5
        Guinea-Bissau 11.5
        Indonesia 11.0
        Niger 11.0
        Nepal 10.9
        Laos 10.8
        Bhutan 10.7
        Madagascar 10.7
        Syria 10.7
        Pakistan 10.6
        Panama 10.6
        Sierra Leone 10.5
        Gabon 10.3
        Mexico 9.7
        Haiti 9.4
        Bangladesh 8.5
        Guinea 8.2
        Cambodia 8.0
        Algeria 7.7
        Central African Republic 7.7
        Iran 7.3
        Yemen 7.1
        Afghanistan 6.4
        Sudan 6.3
        Nigeria 6.1
        Congo, Republic of 5.9
        Angola 5.7
        Saudi Arabia 5.3
        Burma 4.9
        Chad 4.2
        Libya 2.7
        Bahrain 2.4
        Qatar 2.2
        Oman 2.0
        Equatorial Guinea 1.7
        Kuwait 1.5
        United Arab Emirates 1.4

      • Rupert in Springfield

        >Yes of course. But only if you can also pass a program that includes toilet unplugging covered by taxation. Otherwise no. Your taxes pay for programs in place.

        Maybe you would do better to re-read. The point was about pride, not whether or not toilet cleaning should be covered by taxation.

        It would be nice if you would just simply read what you are responding too rather than posting non sequitars like this.

        Here is what I said and Ill break it down for you step by step since you couldn’t be bothered to read in the first place

        >The haughty crowd – I make a lot of money, I’m perfectly willing to pay higher taxes, its an honor and it should be to you as well – T

        Here I am pointing out the logic, the haughty crowd takes pride in paying higher taxes, they know others do not take such pride but think they should.

        >This bunch I will never get.

        Here I am indicating disagreement with the ethos “I take pride in doing this activity, therefore everyone should”

        >Look, I am really proud of my ability to unclog a drain.

        Here I am pointing out something I take pride in, thus establishing an analogous situation.

        >If I pay more in taxes can I therefore expect you to help plunge my toilet?

        Here I am pointing out the logical fallacy of assuming your pride in an activity means everyone should have pride in that activity.

        OK – Got it now? I am not arguing over what should be taxed, I am stating that its fine to take pride in paying higher taxes, it is haughty to assume everyone should take such pride.

        Look, this was a really simple point, it wouldn’t have taken a lot of careful reading to see I wasn’t discussing what should be taxed. Please, try and read what you are responding to next time. Thanks

        >I is equally haughty to say I don’t need this or that from government so therefore no one else should need it either.

        No its not. How in the world do you reach this conclusion? Its completely erroneous.

        Example of not haughty – I don’t need government to provide me a dozen plastic spoons every month just in case I have a picnic. It is not haughty in the least to say no one else should need this service.

        Example of haughty – I don’t need government to build roads since I fly a helicopter everywhere and besides I generally reside on my island off Tahiti anyway. Therefore no one should need roads.

        Anyway, I am not sure of the relevance of your statement since I never argued that because I don’t need something no one else should either.

        Why are you bringing this up? It has no relevance to anything I said.

        >Yes, capitalism and socialism both have their downsides, which is exactly why a mixed system, some of each, is the best, or least bad system.

        What???????

        On what planet does this logic make sense?

        Because two things have a down side does not in any way imply that a combination of the two makes the result of the whole better than the parts.

        Example –

        Capitalism has a down side

        Nazism has a down side (among them a tendency to mass murder, but still less than socialism)

        Therefore would a better government than capitalism be Nazi Capitalism? I sure don’t think so.

        • v person

          Gee Rupert. Its like playing Clue. Lets look again at what you wrote word for wrod.

          “Look, I am really proud of my ability to unclog a drain. If I pay more in taxes can I therefore expect you to help plunge my toilet?”

          So by asking a question: “If I pay more in taxes…etc….” you were not really asking a question. You were simply….er….expresing pride? Head slap. Of course that is what you were doing. I am an idiot for not seeing that. I think. I’ll certainly try harder next time to understand what your meaning is even when it is incomprehensible.

          Now lets move on. You wrote, again verbatim:

          “Capitalism has its downsides, however the thing that makes Socialism uniquely despicable is that its remedy for failure is to drag more people onto a sinking ship.”

          Nothing there about Naziism. But again, I should have tried harder to get your meaning, whichh was of course that EVERYTHING has downsides so therefore….well there is no therefore. But that is ok. You don’t have to actually have a point here.

        • Sybella

          I had no problem understanding what you said. I read ot word for word too. Yes I make enough money to pay more taxes and I’m also proud of that. I am NOT proud of paying more taxes. I resent it. I worked hard for what I have. Yes I’d help you. I’d probably help you plunge your toilet anyway.

          the problem with dean is he always wants to dig out the tidbits so he has something to argur. He understands, he just doesn’t like it and wants to show you how much more he knows than you do.

    • Anonymous

      The envy crowd vs. the haughty crowd… yes, those are the only two possibilities one might have for supporting a tax increase of any kind. I understand that this is essentially a libertarian blog and that minimal government and minimal taxation are core principles of your ideology, but as demonstrated by the statistics cited above there is clearly more than one way to skin a cat. That said, why do you so often resort to the imaginary arguments of imaginary people? I doubt I’ll find any argument from you that there exist individuals representing all points along the political spectrum that are not terribly well informed or at least not exactly great political or economic thinkers. Why not address the arguments presented by opposing ideologies that have a proven track record? The Scandinavian governments are all social democracies with among the highest rates of taxation in the world. They also maintain among the highest ratings on The Economist’s Quality-of-Life Index. Having spent a fair amount of time in that part of the world I can attest to the fact that those statistics do correlate to an incredibly agreeable lifestyle. I should add that the free market is alive and well in Scandinavia.

      On a more personal note, my grandparents were farmers. They were very poor. When farming was no longer a viable form of subsistence for them they went to work for the public school system. He was the janitor at my father’s (and his brother and sister’s) high school. She was a school bus driver. No one in my family was able to attend a university, until me. I suppose I could have burdened my parents in their retirement years with the cost of my education (and they did help me financially), but I chose to take advantage of federal and state grants as well as federally subsidized student loans (not to mention in-state tuition). You have no idea how grateful I am that those options were made available to me. Nothing else in my life has ever had anywhere near the same effect on my relationship to and appreciation of this country. Reciting the Pledge of Allegiance every morning in elementary school didn’t exactly resonate with me as a child. So forgive me if I feel as though I’m fulfilling my sense of duty by paying taxes. It just doesn’t upset me the way it does you. And no, I’m not wealthy, I still struggle sometimes, I’m certain that nobody that knows me would ever describe me as haughty, and as far as companies pricing strategies are concerned all I can say is that derision and greed have never been accusations of mine. Perhaps because I’m economically literate and have some understanding of the laws of supply and demand. I support local companies when I can. I love Rogue beers and Oregon wines, I shop at New Seasons Market and farmer’s markets often, choose local small businesses for my service needs, etc. I don’t know what else I can do, though I’m sure you’d find fault with me no matter what I did.

  • Reper

    Rupert you forgot the warm and fuzzy logic crowd. They love taxes for teh way it makes them feel.

  • cc

    “That said, why do you so often resort to the imaginary arguments of imaginary people?”

    “I don’t know what else I can do, though I’m sure you’d find fault with me no matter what I did.”

    I’m confused – was that an “imaginary argument”?

    Does the fact that it came from a (presumably) real person make it more valid?

    Or does your “econonomic literacy” grant you other superior abilities – such as mind reading?

    Please elucidate.

    • Anonymous

      >”That said, why do you so often resort to the imaginary arguments of imaginary people?”

      >”I don’t know what else I can do, though I’m sure you’d find fault with me no matter what I did.”

      Uuuum, I rest my case?

      >I’m confused – was that an “imaginary argument”?

      Yes, you’re confused.

      >Does the fact that it came from a (presumably) real person make it more valid?

      I wasn’t necessarily making an argument in this case, cc, I was making a genuine inquiry of Rupert as to why he chooses to address the lowest common denominator when he is pontificating on the mysteries of all that is not Rupert.

      >Or does your “econonomic literacy” grant you other superior abilities – such as mind reading?

      A phrase frequently used by Rush Limbaugh… economics is the social science that concerns itself with the distribution of resources via goods and services. Having studied economics I understand that the relationship between supply and demand is what determines price, therefore I do not respond to price increases as Rupert suggests his imaginary economically illiterate liberals do. I give “firms” the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are raising their prices for a reason other than greed (i.e. I assume they too have an understanding of these not very secret laws of supply and demand). Mind reading? What?

      >Please elucidate.

      Better?

      • Anonymous

        “Uuuum, I rest my case?”

        Your case needs a rest.

        You accuse Rupert of resorting to imaginary arguments of imaginary people and, in the same comment, atate that “I’m sure you’d find fault with me no matter what I did.”

        Obviously you imagine that. It certainly fits with your other imaginary assertions. For instance, “I should add that the free market is alive and well in Scandinavia.” To the degree that government intervention, via tax policies, in a free market distorts prices, Scandinavia’s markets are anything but free.

        “I wasn’t necessarily making an argument in this case, cc, I was making a genuine inquiry of Rupert as to why he chooses to address the lowest common denominator when he is pontificating on the mysteries of all that is not Rupert.”

        Oh, right – your genuineness shines through your snarkiness like a beacon.

        “Mind reading? What?”

        I thought you’d have trouble answering the question.

        Oh, and thanks for the pontification about economics. It was totally off the topic of my comment, but I realize such brilliance must find an outlet. Have you been attending classes at Dean’s University of Obtusity?

        • Anonymous

          >You accuse Rupert of resorting to imaginary arguments of imaginary people and, in the
          Obviously you imagine that. It certainly fits with your other imaginary assertions. For instance,
          >”I should add that the free market is alive and well in Scandinavia.” To the degree that
          >government intervention, via tax policies, in a free market distorts prices, Scandinavia’s
          >markets are anything but free.

          Yes, they have a high rate of taxation, but that is hardly the only thing that defines a free market economy. Curious, are you one of those who thinks Sarbanes-Oxley is too intrusive?

          >Oh, right – your genuineness shines through your snarkiness like a beacon.

          Where in my original comment, besides the first sentence, do you detect “snarkiness”?

          >”Mind reading? What?”
          >
          >I thought you’d have trouble answering the question.

          Yeah, wow, you really stumped me, dude. I can’t imagine what you were referring to there. Hats off to you, sir. You’re intellect is truly dazzling.

          >Oh, and thanks for the pontification about economics. It was totally off the topic of my comment,
          >but I realize such brilliance must find an outlet. Have you been attending classes at Dean’s University
          >of Obtusity?

          What was the topic of your comment? How should I have appropriately addressed your concerns?

          Seriously, show me has it’s done, because, all you’re doing right now is adding fuel to my fire. I come here to have a discussion of ideas and it always turns into this bullshit. I’m done, you know, you guys can talk to yourselves and I’ll just go make a donation to DefendOregon, cast my vote on meausures 66 and 67, and wait for you to get the fukk out of the state.

        • Anonymous

          >You accuse Rupert of resorting to imaginary arguments of imaginary people and, in the
          >same comment, atate that “I’m sure you’d find fault with me no matter what I did.”

          Rupert was using the imaginary arguments of imaginary people. Rupert has the ability as a non-imaginary person to respond to my comment. See the difference?

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