House Republican Leader Mike McLane on Umpqua Community College Tragedy

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Rep. Mike McLane

Salem, OR – House Republican Leader Mike McLane (R-Powell Butte) issued the following statement regarding the tragedy that took place today at Umpqua Community College:

“I am deeply saddened by the terrible tragedy that took place today at Umpqua Community College. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims, our first responders and the people of Roseburg. Oregonians across the state are united in grief with the Roseburg community and resolved to bring help and healing to those impacted by today’s horrible events.”

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  • DavidAppell

    Rep McLane: Your prayers won’t stop the next mass shooting, or the one after that, and so on to infinity. Maybe you could find it in your heart to care about all these future victims as well, until the long list finally convinces politicians — especially Republicans — to do something about them.

    • Where love is, God is

      “How many times we have missed seeing God when He came to US in a plain, everyday place.”

      • DavidAppell

        There is no evidence of any gods — stop waiting for them to save you.

        • antityrant

          The evidence for the existence of God is everywhere for those who have eyes to see. Christ Jesus assured his followers, “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.” (Matthew 7:7-8, NIV). The Apostle Paul explained, “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.” (Romans 8:18-19, NIV). Dr. William Lane Craig admonishes, “So people who shrug their shoulders and say, ‘Does God exist? What difference does it make?’ merely show that they haven’t yet thought very deeply about this problem. Even atheist philosophers like Sartre and Camus—who have thought very seriously about this problem—admit that the existence of God makes a tremendous difference for man.” (“Does God Exist?” article found on the Reasonable Faith Website, https://www.reasonablefaith.org/does-god-exist-1#ixzz3npuQg6Vs ).

          So, DavidAppell is free to foolishly ignore the evidence for the existence of God in spite of the peril to his soul. However, no one with an iota of wisdom would seriously accept the claim that no evidence exists.

          • DavidAppell

            No one has ever — ever — put forth the slightest iota of evidence for any gods.

            Which is why you can’t offer any here.

          • antityrant

            Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven has come near. God knows your rebellion and the deception into which you have fallen, yet He loves you anyway, and offers you eternal life (significant existence beyond the bounds of material and temporal existence). God says that you are worth the effort. Just ask Him and you will see. Just ask. Do not let your pride get in the way of finding God’s presence.

            Now, regarding DavidAppell’s dismissive lie about no one offering evidence for the existence of God, listed below is a summary of the detailed evidence offered by William Lane Craig, found in the article referenced in the preceding comment, which DavidAppell may have missed.

            https://www.reasonablefaith.org/does-god-exist-1#ixzz3o1nmaQpz

            1. There is a temporal universe rather than nothing. God makes sense of the origin of the universe.

            2. There is a complex and delicate balance in the initial conditions for the universe. God makes sense of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.

            3. There are moral values and duties, independent of people’s opinions. God makes sense of objective moral values in the world.

            4. There is someone who credibly claimed to be God. God makes sense of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.

            5. There is an awareness of the greatest possible being. God can be immediately known and experienced.

            Finally, abandon your delusions, and fear God’s wrath for your unbelief. It is the first step on your way to ultimate significance and eternal life. It is the only way to get there.

            The next step is detailed on the following webpage. Do not delay.

            https://www.cru.org/how-to-know-god/would-you-like-to-know-god-personally.html

          • DavidAppell

            And still you haven’t presented any evidence.
            None.

          • Improvement begins with “I”

            The preponderance of your sleep mask inhibits your waking up to a soul existence of truths well evident in the Holy Bible.

          • DavidAppell

            You still haven’t provided any actual *evidence*.

          • cunudiun

            Hah. Soon your going to be up to the curly brackets.

          • Opera Winfers Beckons

            “Some things have to believed to be seen. ”
            ~ Ralph Hodgson
            David Appell please tell believers here, what be your cede. C’mon, you do it, fella!

    • Woodfords Frog

      You know what might of stopped the mass shooting and helped? Hiring an armed security presence on campus. It’s a shame they didn’t.

      “UCC itself had in recent months considered hiring an armed security guard — a proposal that essentially divided the student body in two — before ultimately deciding against it, the school’s retired president said.”
      https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/oregon-college-shooting/debate-confusion-over-oregons-gun-rules-after-deadly-shooting-n437966

      • DavidAppell

        It’s a very big campus. Hiring one guard would very likely not have made a difference, unless he could have charged across campus at 50 mph.

        A veteran who was on campus, carrying a gun, said he decided not to get involved because he didn’t know how the police would distinguish him from the shooter.

        • Woodfords Frog

          Who said anything about hiring only one? The campus only employs two unarmed security officers at a time. It’s already been criticized for not having more.

          In regard to the veteran, by the time he became aware of the shooting, a SWAT team had already responded. If you hear exactly what the veteran said, it makes much more sense. It’s not like he was in the classroom or in a position to stop the shooter while it was happening, and choose not too. It just shows how the media can distort.
          ““Luckily we made the choice not to get involved,” he explained. “We were
          quite a distance away from the building where this was happening. And
          we could have opened ourselves up to be potential targets ourselves, and
          not knowing where SWAT was, their response time, they wouldn’t know who
          we were. And if we had our guns ready to shoot, they could think that
          we were bad guys.”

          • DavidAppell

            How many armed security guards are needed? One per classroom? Three per building? Who’s going to pay for all that?

            Or maybe students should all be wearing body armor?

            The armed veteran who was there knew he couldn’t get involved. You, sitting in your easy chair, have no idea what happened there.

          • Woodfords Frog

            Why, a few armed security officers would make an excellent deterrent.
            But by all means, let’s disarm the law abiding citizens, so only those mentally-ill mass murdering criminals who obtain gun illegally can shoot us like sitting ducks.

            By the way, most universities already pay for security… armed or unarmed.

          • DavidAppell

            The data clearly show that more guns = more killings.

            Arming all citizens is insane. It’d be worse than the Old West. No thinking person wants to live in such a place.

          • Woodfords Frog

            Wrong!

            Countries with the strictest gun-control laws also tended to have the highest homicide rates.
            Violence, Guns and Drugs: A Cross-Country Analysis, Jeffery A.
            Miron, Department of Economics, Boston University, University of Chicago
            Press Journal of Law & Economics, October 2001

          • DavidAppell

            Your claim is ridiculous on its face.

            Worse, dumb. Unthinking.

            Tell me about Japan’s gun death rate. Any country in Europe. Let’s see some actual numbers, not a lame reference to a book you don’t quote and don’t quote from.

          • Woodfords Frog

            LOL! Please tell me how my citation is untrue. Because you don’t agree with it?
            It’s not a book, it’s a published paper used for the American Enterprise Institute conference Guns, Crime, and Safety. Did you even read it? It shows that culture has much more to do with crime rates than guns and/or gun control.

            A Harvard Study…. same conclusion.
            https://web.archive.org/web/20131125080818/https://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
            “National Institute of Justice surveys among prison inmate find that large percentages presort that their fear that a victim might be armed deterred them from confrontation crimes. …. Conversely, robbery is highest is states that most restrict gun ownership”.

            Just look at the stats for the States. The 31 states that allow registered citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24% lower violent crime rate, 19% lower murder rate, and 39% lower robbery rate than those states that forbid concealed weapons.

            Just look at Israel and Switzerland that have low rates of homicide, where guns are easily obtainable. Look at Mexico with harsh gun laws, yet higher murder rates than Mexico.

            Again, from the Harvard Study….. “the determinants of murder and suicide are basic social, economic, and cultural factors, not the prevalence of some form of deadly mechanism.” Meaning, it’s not guns that kill people. People kill people.

            Japan’s low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Also, the real Japanese murder rate is about twice the reported rate. Unlike the U.S., Japan does not count an attempt to injure, but which accidentally causes death, as a homicide. The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system. There is no Jury if you actually go to trial and “survive” the interrogation system. I suggest you study the Japanese justice system, then you’ll know why it has nothing to do about gun laws. Why, remember the U.S. citizen who got caught possessing marijuana in Okinawa? Whole different ball game over there!

            Study after study, show it’s not just guns/gun control, but also culture and justice systems that influence the crime rate.

          • DavidAppell

            I already told you. Reread.

            Japan has strict gun control. So does the UK. So does Australia. And all have many fewer homocides and mass shootings than does the wild west of the US.

    • antityrant

      It seems that DavidAppell suffers from delusions, apparently confusing Republicans with another group.

      For the sake of clarity, most Republicans adamantly reject such policies, where people are prohibited from carrying weapons that deter or incapacitate violent people. Without any doubt, preventing the terrible extent of tragedies like the one at Umpqua Community College requires a quickly applied deterrent or incapacitating force, one not inclined to tolerate a menacing gunman. Most Republicans favor the deployment of weapons in the general population, and the employment of armed security guards, which are the only measures that certainly reduce the extent of a bad guys violence, or eliminates it, altogether. Other suggestions constitute political distractions unworthy of American liberty.

      To the contrary of DavidAppell’s implication, groups that advocate for anything restricting people from providing deterrence or a defense against violence are complicit in extending the severity of the tragedies resulting from the violence. Generally, those groups contain no real Republicans, but instead consist of people that harbor dangerous delusions, like DavidAppell and President Obama.

      • DavidAppell

        If still more guns are the solution, why is the US — with far more guns than any other country — not already the safest place on Earth?

        Hmm?

        • antityrant

          American style liberty makes the United States the best place on earth to live. And the safest places in the United States, and in the whole world, exist where people are not prohibited from protecting themselves from violence.

          DavidAppell’s and President Obama’s fantasyland of perfect safety cannot exist in a perilous world. And, indulging such delusions and distractions, while they resist armed security guards in schools, creates a more dangerous and less appealing place to live. Their foolish interference only impedes people from doing things that really work. Ignore them. Or, invite them to move out of the country, to places that embrace their control freak fantasies.

          • DavidAppell

            “American style liberty makes the United States the best place on earth to live.”

            A matter of opinion.

            “And the safest places in the United States, and in the whole world, exist where people are not prohibited from protecting themselves from violence.”

            Prove it.

            These numbers, from Slate last week, show there is a clear inverse correlation between state gun laws and state gun deaths:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9cd9081c4b4008f75d8972918393aa99e8995e346d74cbfff360616249d452b9.jpg

          • antityrant

            Nice diagrams promoted by liberty hating control freaks, and based on some statistical manipulations that cannot possibly encompass all the variables or tell the whole story, simply create more distractions from doing the thing that works to prevent terrible tragedies; that is providing armed security guards in schools.

            Prevent the tragedies from violence perpetrated by bad guys. Provide armed security guards in schools or be complicit in the next terrible tragedy. It is not a difficult choice for sane people.

          • DavidAppell

            More guns = more killing. That data is absolutely clear.

            Crying about “liberty hating control freaks” isn’t convincing. It shows you won’t confront the arguments, and would rather dismiss the conversation wholesale, because you can’t refute it.

            Want to know whose liberty has been denied? Nine dead people at Umpqua Community College.

          • Al Jazeeratazza

            Slate is left wing

          • DavidAppell

            You’re just looking for a convenient excuse to dismiss data you don’t like, because you think that means you don’t have to confront it.

            Sorry, no.

            Do you disagree with Slate’s data and analysis? In what ways?

          • antityrant

            Those entertained by bright, shiny, statistical analysis will find more rigorous efforts to evaluate the effects of gun laws on death rates than the ones presented by liberty hating control freaks like DavidAppell. Just off the press, the Washington Post shows “Zero correlation between state homicide rate and state gun laws”.

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/06/zero-correlation-between-state-homicide-rate-and-state-gun-laws/

            Surmount the temptation of analysis distractions, and do the thing that really prevents tragedies from violence perpetrated by bad guys. Provide armed security guards in schools.

          • DavidAppell

            I’m all for liberty. I’m against mass shootings, and the enormous amount of gun violence that now pervades the US. (90 deaths/day). There is every reason why guns need to be licensed and their owners given very thorough background checks. And no one needs an assault rifle, period.

            Again, here is the data on state gun laws and gun-related deaths, from Slate:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9cd9081c4b4008f75d8972918393aa99e8995e346d74cbfff360616249d452b9.jpg

          • DavidAppell

            Why can’t you read your own link? The author himself writes, “I focus on total homicide, rather than gun homicide or all gun deaths.”

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/06/zero-correlation-between-state-homicide-rate-and-state-gun-laws/

            which makes no sense.

          • Appell’s chamberlain blank

            CNN, a trajectory of left wing muse that misfires warning shots over Al Jazeera instead of telling Islam in ISIS to head toward common sense ports to admeasure.

          • DavidAppell

            CNN? I didn’t quote from CNN. Try to pay attention.

          • The way to learn is to begin

            You seemingly slumber in the darkest bedrooms of what’s left of US.

          • DavidAppell

            Why are you poking around people’s bedrooms?

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