Portland terrorism task force mistake was all politics

By Dave Lister

During an on-air discussion with KXL’s Lars Larson this week, over whether Portland should reverse its 2005 decision and rejoin the Joint Terrorism Task Force, City Commissioner Dan Saltzman was asked if the council’s decisions were too often influenced by the perception of political correctness. “When we originally heard testimony to withdraw from the JTTF,” Saltzman said, “we heard from a lot of people who disagreed with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Bush administration and the Patriot Act. But I don’t believe we were hearing from the silent majority of Portlanders.” That statement was sweet music to my ears.

The discussion, of course, was prompted by the failed plot of Somali immigrant Mohamed Osman Mohamud to explode a car bomb during downtown’s Christmas tree lighting ceremony and kill as many of the thousands of innocents gathered in Pioneer Courthouse Square as possible. Because of the city’s earlier decision to withdraw from the JTTF, the detection and interdiction of Mohamud’s plot occurred without the participation of the city of Portland.

The original decision to withdraw from the JTTF was not a policy decision but rather a petty personal squabble between the federal authority and Portland’s newly minted mayor, Tom Potter. Potter was, for a variety of reasons, not granted a top-security security clearance by the FBI. That rubbed him the wrong way.

Rather than admit that the failing was his own, Potter crafted a counter-argument that, as police commissioner, it was not reasonable that his subordinates should be privy to information that he was unable to receive. That was an easy sell to Portland’s “blame Bush” political climate and the council, including newly elected commissioner and now mayor, Sam Adams. The council approved the withdrawal with only Dan Saltzman in opposition.

The council chambers were packed. There were gray-bearded men in tie-dyed T-shirts with walking sticks. There were college students sporting a variety of piercings, tattoos and fluorescent hair colorings.

The crowd was unruly, unbehaved and generally unwashed. As each commissioner, with the exception of Saltzman, railed against the policies of the Bush administration, they were supported with a rally of hand clapping, whistling and sign waving.

As an observer in a sport coat and necktie, I was definitely out of my element. I realized that I was a member of the city’s “silent majority,” and before the proceedings concluded, I slipped out a side door.

I will leave it to others to decide if the city’s decision to withdraw from the JTTF has made us less safe. But I am sure of one thing. There is a “silent majority” in Portland. It was my attendance at that council meeting that made me come to that realization. Portland State University students, politically active retirees and trust fund babies are not the majority here.

Working men and women trying to raise their families, meet their mortgages and hold down a job are the majority.

They are, for the most part, not politically engaged. They do not have, for the most part, the ability to attend City Council or county commissioners meetings. They do, without exception, fund our local government.

It’s probably easy for a city commissioner to look out at the crowd attending council meetings to conclude those people are their constituents. They come to rail against the Federal Authority. They adorn themselves in plastic bags to protest the petrochemical industry. They are mostly young, they are mostly politically active and they have the time to show up.

But one thing is sure. They are not the majority.

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  • SOL668

    70% of the residents in multnomah county voted for john kitzhaber, in one of the highest turn out counties in the united states.

    Hard working men and women trying to pay their mortgage and raise their children….70%…

    Don’t lecture us, about the “silent majority” the majority has spoken repeatedly, the mohammed mohammed arrest only confirms why the JTTF isn’t something the people of portland are interested in being a part of. Entraping, angry 19 year old teens who would have never posed any threat to us without the prodding and encouragement of the FBI, while terrorizing the people of portland with a contrived attack???

    The REAL majority in Portland will continue to oppose these kind of ghestapo tactics

    • Rupert in Springfield

      >Entraping, angry 19 year old teens who would have never posed any threat to us without the prodding and encouragement of the FBI, while terrorizing the people of portland with a contrived attack???
      The REAL majority in Portland will continue to oppose these kind of ghestapo tactics

      Oh my GOD!!!!!!

      Ive got it!

      Jerry?……Have you reconstituted yourself as SOL668?

      You sly dog you………This is freakin brilliant!

      The zany mid sentence capitalization, the ridiculous mis-spellings – this is perfect off the meds stuff.

      Love the nonsense baby, this one is a total crack up.

      • SOL668

        As is typical of the sneering degrading self serving sociopathy you think passes for an ideology, you prefer to toss out insults rather then address the content of the postt

        There is incidently not one miss spelled word in that post, I capitalized only one word “REAL” to emphasize your political irrelevance in portland

    • conservatively speaking

      Ja wohl, mein SOL668 – huffing and puffing sufficiently to extinguish your own pilot light!

      • Sol668

        The viewpoint that the FBI acted inappropriately, is one shared by the clear majority of Portlanders.

        Its so odd that the proponents of “limited government” have no problem with an activist FBI which seeks to generate terrorists out of those guilty of “thought crimes”, such as this 19 year old kid.

        I’d hoped conservatives would appreciate, that “limited government” also applies to our security apparatus. But of course it doesn’t

  • Bad Man

    Wow! Yet another LIBTARD hater showing his unwillingness to even listen to another opinion. It’s just because of JERKS like this that my wife and I are happily living in another state where the LEFTIST IDIOTS do not dominate all politics. Oh – and by the way, we also took three of those “family wage” jobs and over $15,000.00 in personal state income taxes with us as well. Anyone want to bet “SOL” has never owned a business or had a monthly payroll to tkecare of?

    • SOL668

      When you address your political opponents as “libtards” it doesn’t provide a whole lot of incentive to me to wish to consider your positions with any seriousness

      As is typical of conservatives, you prefer to toss out insults, and stereotypes rather then address the issue being discussed.

      I’m glad you moved, clearly we’d all be happier living in communities that support our values, please convince a few of your conservative friends to leave as well, and while we’re tossing out numbers I’ve brought approximately 100k in business from around the country to oregon in the past year, and play a vital roll in senior management at a local company. Of course this doesn’t help to make your sneering point, regarding your own personal superiority

      • Bad Man

        SOLLIE BOY: Don’t like the LIBTARD label? Maybe you shouldn’t be such an obvious one. Oh – and thanks for letting us know that you really don’t own a business. You’re just another SCHMUCK that collects a paycheck and is as expendable as a used kleenex.

        • SOl668

          lol and thats your problem, you’re a sneering meanspirited little cuss…so I take it you’re a billionaire business owner? No? then you’re just a schmuck like the rest of us

          • Bad Man

            Hate to tell you SCHMUCK-O – but I’m already working on my second million; and no longer in your dying state. E.S.A.D. you worhless PUTZ!

  • Bob Clark

    I think Portland’s silent majority is a minority. Living in Portland I can personally attest to nearly all my neighbors being punch drunk (as in imbibe) blue, or big government blue. I don’t think it’s the water, but my theory is continual state and federal subsidies lavished on Portland cityhall and downtown have sauced the Portland electorate into a deep blue. Remove the cross state and federal subsidies removes the punch bowl, and the Portland electorate will be red in hangover. An additional theory which needs research is if Portland hasn’t become bi populated with mostly a rich upper middle class and a poor property less class, leaving only a small middle class. In this scenario, the rich vote to up the cost of living for others through ever higher local taxation and fees so as to drive others out of town. Meanwhile, the poor don’t mind high taxes for others and vote for bigger government services.

    • Sol668

      The state and federal government per capita spend far more on rural oregonians then urbanites.

      https://www.ers.usda.gov/statefacts/or.htm
      FY 2008 Rural 8807 Urban * 7093

      This makes sense when you consider that the poorest areas are solidly red in oregon, and as such the biggest recipients of medicaid, foodstamps and other assistance….Rural oregonians disproportionatly benefit from farm subsidies, highway funds, and lets not forget your timber payments, which keep many rural oregon communities afloat. GOP voters? Tend to be more elderly, and as such reliant upon SS and medicare. Never mind military jobs, and prison jobs, which portlanders have no desire to participate in.

      If you are wondering why portland is so blue, its cultural…we’re not christians, most of the things we value, aren’t provided by the “free market”, (the environment, social justice) and in general we’re much less materialistic then many regions of the nation.

      The myth that we vote democrat because of “handouts” is only insulting, as its conservatives, who clearly the disporportionate beneficiaries of the governments largess.

      • Rupert in Springfield

        Come on Jerry – is this you doing this routine? Fess up.

        I’m serious, I really have a hard time believing Sol668 is anything but a put on.

        • Sol668

          I don’t know who jerry is…I’m not that person contrary to your assumptions…does it surprise you after your stunning defeat in 2010 as the GOP wave crashed against the west coast, that your radical views are a minority in oregon? That FAR more people hold my, and whomever this jerry guys perspective then your own?

  • Teyuna

    Why print this article again? It was distorted, biased, bigotted and non-factual the first time it was run.

    Tie -dye? unruly, unbehaved and generally unwashed? UnWASHED? Really?? Piercings, tatoos, and flourescent hair? I guess you stopped short of “brown skinned,” as many communities of recent immigrants came out to express their concerns, as well.

    What good does it do to put down people who come to public hearings? Especially in such distorted ways? And what good does it do to project your brand of virtue on the uninvolved?

    Build community if you want to solve problems. For someone who wanted to be a commissioner, this article shows a remarkable contempt for dialog and public involvement.

    • Cecil

      The typical liberal will almost always find a way to inject race into any argument. It is part of their DNA.

      “When liberals use emotion, fear, guilt, and racism on you, and you use facts on them, it really irritates them.”
      Senator Alan Simpson

      • Sol668

        Ignoring history won’t insulate you from its reality.

        So there is no racial issues on the right correct?

        So how do you reconcile your love of “free markets” with your desire to tell business who they can and cannot hire? If free markets are best for all, you’d think you’d be welcoming immigrants from South America with open arms…you’re not….why?…Race

  • Sol668

    You really have to ask “why” conservatives seek to marginalize and insult their opponents at every opportunity? Conservatism, cannot produce anything but horrific suffering for the vast majority of society…Thus, not one nation on earth including this one embraces their radical free market utopism….So how do you get people to sign up?

    Simple let adherents know they are better people for holding the “correct” perspective…you don’t want to be “unwashed” do you? You’re not a “welfare queen” are you? Democrats in portland only vote for democrats because they are on the government teet!

    Its a very simply propaganda techinque…..never talk about your ideas, never talk about their outocmes, only every talk about the “filthy” “vermin like” opposition.

    • Rupert in Springfield

      >That FAR more people hold my, and whomever this jerry guys perspective then your own?

      Ok – If you aren’t Jerry doing the satire on liberals thing then I guess I was wrong.

      I think the main thing that undermines your position is your zanyness. Frankly you are simply making some nutty arguments here. Conservatives suffered a stunning defeat in 2010? That would be news to most people. The Portland bomber was entrapped? By no legal standard would that be considered entrapment nor would I bet there would be much public sympathy for that line of argument.

      Personally if i was in any sort of forum to convince people of my position versus yours, Id hope to go second. Id simply say “no comment” after you had gone on like this and watch people leave you.

      That, by the way, is all Republicans had to do in the last election to make the historic gains they did.

      • Sol668

        “zany rants” is this how you dismiss out of hand any need to actually defend your positions? Do you believe the defense attorneys in the tree lighting bomber case, won’t seek to use the entrapement defense? What informs your position is bigotry, you want there to be terrorists in our midst, your strange RW nationalism almost needs a enemy, and the FBI is happy to provide you with some 19 year old kid, they through their own efforts radicalized.

        Yes, on the west coast the GOP faired poorly in a supposed wave election, pretty stunning really how badly you did here and in on the west coast in general…yet that is a matter of opinion I found it stunning, pherhaps you’re simply accustom to losing, you should be by now in Oregon.

        I’m not interested in convincing you of my position, the GOP worked hard to see obama fail, and they enjoyed great success with that stratedgy, frankly as portland progressive obama has always been far too RW and interested in appeasing conservatives than I would prefer. What I’m here is to convince you of the utter futility of your efforts in Oregon, that the silly stereotypes you use to rhetorically “lick your wounds” are baseless; further more, that over time, you’ll only grow more irrelevant in Oregon.

        As another poster in this thread crowwed about his abandoning Oregon, because of its politics, I suggest you do the same, and make room for the progressives that are moving here.

    • Cecil

      It is my experience that liberals are the best at ad hominem attacks. Take Sarah Palin for example. I have been around a long time and have never before witnessed such incessant waves of venom directed at a non-office holding person. Liberals leave no stone unturned. Her family, right on down to the handicapped child, has been attacked by the left. Leftists are by nature emotive thinkers. They are a majority low-brow demographic, arrogant to the hilt, and vicious toward their oppononents to a degree that is beyond redemption.
      What would have happened to us had these emotive relativists been in charge during WWII? What would have happened to us had these people been in the majority on the battlefield? The only reason we won all the wars that have made us the greatest nation on earth is because conservative, traditional, patriotic, nationalistic people fought them–yes, all the things the emotive and myopic lefties hate. And THAT is why America will continue to tilt right.

      • Sol668

        ooh does your medicine taste bad? Thin skinned little cons make great political hay insulting their political opponents, but when the shoes on the other foot

        well you cry like the emotional little baby you are, now don’t you

  • Tony

    Yeah you should hand over your city’s security to a agency that secretly runs around building bombs for “terrorists” gives them a van (or did the college drop out buy that himself?) and lets him park it next to thousands of people before detonating it – in a case that is obviously entrapment. I bet the FBI is real proud and took great delight of the look on Mayor Adams’ face when he heard of the “foiled” FBI bomb. That will teach him to vote down the intrusive un-Constitutional JTTF!

    We have survived as a nation by adhering to our principles enshrined in the US Constitution. They have guided us true for over 2 centuries, given us great prosperity, great standings in the world. We’ve turned from those principles and now look at us! Broke, hated, and crumbling. It couldn’t be any clearer. We didn’t become the greatest nation on earth acting like cowards and compromising our freedom and principles in exchange for “safety.”

    It will be a sad day in America if Portland doesn’t support Mayor Adam’s first stance on this issue, and again reject this un-American, cowardly refuge under the arm of tyranny. This isn’t terrorism, this is terronoia.

    • Sol668

      Tony don’t you find it rather delicous, that our conservative friends concerns about an “overly intrusive” federal government, ends when it comes to security issues?

      The arm of government most capable of excercising violent force against its people?

      The conservatives on this board, never found a federal buercracy they didnt like, so long as that money was dubbed with “security” or “defense” before being tacked onto the deficit.

      They never missed an opportunity to trample the rights of our citizens, so long as they believed those citizens were “filthy hippies”.

  • Steve Plunk

    There may indeed be issues with entrapment but that’s for the courts to decide. The fact remains this young man made it very clear he hated America and hated Americans. He eagerly dialed the number that he thought would kill hundreds. No sympathy.

    The decision to not be a part of the JTTF was obviously politically motivated. It made no sense not to be a part of it and have a hand in what went on on Portland. The play acting of the Portland leadership is typical of those lacking a firm grasp of how dangerous the world can be. The types that travel to Tibet for enlightenment only to be shocked when lightened by a pickpocket. The world’s a nasty place with nasty people so sometimes decisions will be lesser of evils like joining the JTTF. So far the courts haven’t made it unconstitutional so playing nice rather than thumbing your nose would be prudent.

    • Sol668

      Yes his crimes were “thought crimes” (didn’t like america) but would he have been radicalized to the point that he would have produced this attack, or did the FBI encourage him down this path. I do agree with you one point this is for the courts to decide.

      Actually, this incident precisely demonstrates why Portland didn’t want to be part of the JTTF, politically motivated or not, we disagree with the means by which the “war on terror” is being conducted. Really, is this the best use of our resources? How many man hours, how many millions of dollars went into this “investigation” to produce what?

  • SolarDog

    This man child was obviously set up. He is innocent of all charges. He is to be commended for his courage.
    Please help him by sending him some money for his defense.
    He is very good.
    We are very bad.
    Please try to understand this man.

    • A Free Person on Welfare & Foodstamps

      I agree with Solar Dog. I also think the FBI should let Sam Adams and the people of Portland know everything they are doing to fight Terror Threats. In fact there is no Terror Threat, fire all Law Enforcement Agencies and therefore my Welfare Payments will increase.

  • Rupert in Springfield

    Sol668

    >”zany rants” is this how you dismiss out of hand any need to actually defend your positions?

    I didn’t dismiss them. I did defend them.

    I pointed out how I doubt many besides you would feel Republicans suffered stunning loses in 2010, certainly no news organization I am aware of covered the results that way.

    Second I pointed out that I doubt many would agree with you that the Portland bomber was entrapped. I see no news coverage making that argument, nor do I get any general sense from my own experience or in any coverage of the event that there is any constituency for your entrapment position.

    >Do you believe the defense attorneys in the tree lighting bomber case, won’t seek to use the entrapement defense? What informs your position is bigotry,

    Actually what informs my position is a working knowledge of the legal definition of entrapment and an ability to spell the word.

    I would be absolutely stunned if an entrapment defense was used in this case.

    Entrapment is an affirmative defense – thus it would be incredibly difficult to use in a murder/homicide situation. I frankly would be surprised if entrapment had been used successfully in any homicide situation.

    You just simply aren’t going to be able to convince a jury that the average person not predisposed to murder, would be expected to commit murder when presented with a bunch of explosives and a button to set them off. That’s what you would need to convince the jury of, and no lawyer in his right mind would attempt such a thing.

    Look – Its pretty clear here, you dont know what entrapment actually is as a legal defense, thus your frustration.

    That’s fine, however your frustration does not constitute bigotry on my part. It simply means you have a poor argument.

    >Yes, on the west coast the GOP faired poorly in a supposed wave election, pretty stunning really how badly you did here

    Actually no it isn’t very stunning.

    In Oregon Republicans gained enough seats to eliminate the Democratic super majority and we just had the closest governors race in many years.

    When a party does better in an election than they historically have, it can hardly be said that they did stunningly bad.

    Again I would say you use of the term, much like your use of the term bigot is ignorant of the facts.

    >I found it stunning, pherhaps you’re simply accustom to losing, you should be by now in Oregon.

    You realize this is a self contradictory sentence dont you?

    Why in the world would you find something that is not out of the ordinary a stunning event?

    >I’m not interested in convincing you of my position, the GOP worked hard to see obama fail, and they enjoyed great success with that stratedgy,

    On what planet? I doubt anyone could name John Boehner six months ago, nor pick him out of a line up. Olympia Snow was the final vote to report Obama Care out of committee because in her words “she wanted to move the process along”

    The GOP didn’t work long and hard to have Obama fail, they just had to sit back and let him fail.

    The basic problem is people nationally dont like what you guys are selling. This is manifest because no one running as a candidate can run as a leftist and win.

    We saw this with both Obama and Clinton, both ran as moderates. Both immediately took a step to the left upon election and both got slapped down hard in the very next election. Clinton corrected and governed more as a centrist and thus his popularity increased. If Obama does the same he will also find himself with a more successful presidency than he has at the moment.

    >What I’m here is to convince you of the utter futility of your efforts in Oregon,

    You just said above that you weren’t interested in convincing me of your position.

    Now you say you are here to convince me of something.

    Which is it?

    This is the kind of zaniness I love – the self contradictory sentences, the weird mid sentence all caps thing. The crazed misspelling. It’s perfect.

    >utter futility of your efforts in Oregon, that the silly stereotypes you use to rhetorically “lick your wounds” are baseless

    Pointing out that Republicans hardly suffered a route in 2010 and that your claiming the Portland bomber was entrapped is a nutty argument is a baseless stereotypes?

    Do you know what the word stereotype means?

    Use of the word stereotype in this instance is nonsensical as I have used no stereotypes in my argument. Pointing out a close governors race, your loss of the super majority and the fact that your entrapment argument is non convincing in no way uses a stereo type.

    >further more, that over time, you’ll only grow more irrelevant in Oregon.

    Well, considering we just had the closest election in a long time, and you guys just lost your super majority Id say this is a bit more wishful thinking on your part than actual reality.

    >As another poster in this thread crowwed about his abandoning Oregon, because of its politics, I suggest you do the same, and make room for the progressives that are moving here.

    Could I just sit back and laugh at you instead? I think you are funny.

    • SOL668

      Sol668

      >I didn’t dismiss them. I did defend them.

      No you called names, as thats really the only argument you have, a sneering absolutel belief in your own innate superiority

      >I pointed out how I doubt many besides you would feel Republicans suffered stunning loses in >2010, certainly no news organization I am aware of covered the results that way.

      You don’t find it a little stunning that in a national wave for republicans you couldn’t win one state wide race anywhere on the west coast? Really?

      >Second I pointed out that I doubt many would agree with you that the Portland bomber was >entrapped. I see no news coverage making that argument, nor do I get any general sense from >my own experience or in any coverage of the event that there is any constituency for your >entrapment position.

      Well my dear sneering little conservative, what you “think” is of little concern, but naturally in your delirious self absorbtion you missed the facts

      https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2635444/posts

      >Actually what informs my position is a working knowledge of the legal definition of entrapment >and an ability to spell the word.

      Again I reference the above link, evidently your “working knowledge” isn’t sufficient to recognize the obvious defense tactics that will be used
      I would be absolutely stunned if an entrapment defense was used in this case.

      >Entrapment is an affirmative defense – thus it would be incredibly difficult to use in a >murder/homicide situation. I frankly would be surprised if entrapment had been used successfully >in any homicide situation.

      Hmmm no homicide occured in this instance and again take it up with the defense team

      https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2635444/posts

      >You just simply aren’t going to be able to convince a jury that the average person not >predisposed to murder, would be expected to commit murder when presented with a bunch of >explosives and a button to set them off. That’s what you would need to convince the jury of, and >no lawyer in his right mind would attempt such a thing.

      well his lawyers are…https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/portland_bomb_plot_mohamed_moh.html

      >Look – Its pretty clear here, you dont know what entrapment actually is as a legal defense, thus >your frustration.

      All I know is that the defense team has put out

      >That’s fine, however your frustration does not constitute bigotry on my part. It simply means you >have a poor argument.

      Your desire to find “enemies” where none exist, is evidence of your bigotry, your support of this kind of action on the part of the FBI is evidence of your nationalistic fervor and need to have an other to “fight” this is typical of the victim mentality of the right

      >Yes, on the west coast the GOP faired poorly in a supposed wave election, pretty stunning really how badly you did here

      >Actually no it isn’t very stunning.

      In a wave election you couldn’t win 1 state wide race anywhere on the west coast…not a little stunning? After the 100’s of millions spent out here by conservative candidates

      >In Oregon Republicans gained enough seats to eliminate the Democratic super majority and we >just had the closest governors race in many years.

      And all you had to do was outspend democrats 2 to 1! Still couldn’t win any race of significance state wide, nor unseat any of the democrat incumbants, in an anti incumbant year….not stunning? Well we can disagree on that issue.

      >gain I would say you use of the term, much like your use of the term bigot is ignorant of the facts.

      Which facts are those? Calling a conservative a bigot isn’t an insult you pride yourself on your sneering disregard, and disdain for all those whom you dub “undesirable” the poor, minorities, excetra…

      >I found it stunning, pherhaps you’re simply accustom to losing, you should be by now in Oregon.

      >ou realize this is a self contradictory sentence dont you?

      Not particularly, as I’m discussing my personal feelings and I find it stunning that after the millions your side spent you couldn’t win one state wide race on the west coast..not one

      >hy in the world would you find something that is not out of the ordinary a stunning event?

      But it is out of the ordinary, a national wave for one party crashed against a single region, where you outspent your opponents by ridiculous amounts

      >I’m not interested in convincing you of my position, the GOP worked hard to see obama fail, and they enjoyed great success with that stratedgy,

      >n what planet? I doubt anyone could name John Boehner six months ago, nor pick him out of a line up. Olympia Snow was the final vote to report Obama Care out of committee because in her words “she wanted to move the process along”

      the GOP has made it clear since day one their desire and only desire is to see obama fail, and have worked diligently towards that end….Obama is of course guilty of thinking the GOP actually cares about this nation, and would act in a responsible fashion…they will not they care only for power

      >he GOP didn’t work long and hard to have Obama fail, they just had to sit back and let him fail.

      LOL endless filibusters of every major policy intiative, if you wanted to “sit back and let obama fail” well you could have allowed real healthcare reform (public option) real wallstreet reform (return of glass steagle), and real tax reform, but instead you obstructed each and everyone of these issues

      >he basic problem is people nationally dont like what you guys are selling. This is manifest >ecause no one running as a candidate can run as a leftist and win.

      Really? Go on and cut your largely elderly bases SS and medicare today, and find out just how right wing this nation really is….obama ran on progressive platform, hes alienated his base with constant appeasement of the RW…and his reward for his bipartisanship? A belligerent uncompromising minority party.

      >e saw this with both Obama and Clinton, both ran as moderates. Both immediately took a step to the left upon election and both got slapped down hard in the very next election. Clinton corrected and governed more as a centrist and thus his popularity increased. If Obama does the same he will also find himself with a more successful presidency than he has at the moment.

      Obama is unelectable at this point, he’s alienated his base too to great of extent…moving to the Right after 30 years of your failure to do anything but lower wages, and concentrate wealth in fewer and fewer hands, will only bring disaster….Remarkably giving the wealthy their every whim, cannot produce prosperity for middle class americans

      And laught it up!! Thats typical of the sneering mean spiritedness that assures me that decent oregonians will continue to reject your radical and nasty ideology

      >ou just said above that you weren’t interested in convincing me of your position.

      I’m not, you’ll never see the light, you’re a raging market utopist, hell bent on foisting the suffering of the past back on the american people…The only thing thats going to change your mind, is utter personal disaster, but I trust that you’re not a billionaire business man, and as such you’re in the same boat as me….

      >?w you say you are here to convince me of something.

      Which is it?

      Not my ideas, thats pointless, only your irrelevancy in oregon, and if you can’t see that…well

      >his is the kind of zaniness I love – the self contradictory sentences, the weird mid sentence all caps thing. The crazed misspelling. It’s perfect

      Yes sneering is really easier then defending your positions isn’t it? We understand that you believer yourself ooh so superior, after all thats all your ideology does…but of course you NEVER make a spelling error correct? Never a grammatical error?

      >Look – Its pretty clear here, you dont know what entrapment actually is as a legal defense, thus >our frustration.

      That’s fine, however your frustration does not constitute bigotry on my part. It simply means you have a poor argument.”

      hyphens have no place after “look” in this sentence and “dont” has an “‘” in it, my dear sneering perfectionist

      >utter futility of your efforts in Oregon, that the silly stereotypes you use to rhetorically “lick your wounds” are baseless

      >Pointing out that Republicans hardly suffered a route in 2010 and that your claiming the Portland >bomber was entrapped is a nutty argument is a baseless stereotypes?

      Total route in Oregon for state wide races, I find it interesting you choose to focus on the governors race, not the senate race..curious but not surprising

      >o you know what the word stereotype means?

      Its your chief argument

      >se of the word stereotype in this instance is nonsensical as I have used no stereotypes in my >rgument. Pointing out a close governors race, your loss of the super majority and the fact that your entrapment argument is non convincing in no way uses a stereo type.

      LOL no stereotypes….LOL its all you have, its all the original article we’re discussing put forward

      >further more, that over time, you’ll only grow more irrelevant in Oregon.

      >ill, considering we just had the closest election in a long time, and you guys just lost your super majority Id say this is a bit more wishful thinking on your part than actual reality.

      The senat race wasn’t close, none of the house races were particularly close, its nice to be able to put on the blinders and some how believe that “you’re turning the corner” in oregon, but the reality states otherwise….and you’ll only grow increasingly irrelevant as Portland attracts more and more disaffect progressives from other areas of the nation.
      >As another poster in this thread crowwed about his abandoning Oregon, because of its politics, I suggest you do the same, and make room for the progressives that are moving here.

      Could I just sit back and laugh at you instead? I think you are funny.

      • Rupert in Springfield

        Well – the link you provided does not say who is defending this guy, but I will admit, I am utterly stunned anyone would be using an entrapment defense.

        Since entrapment is basically a non starter for a homicide case I will be very surprised if it works. It certainly is somewhat historic that they are even attempting this kind of defense and I imagine it will probably set a legal precident, if not chart a new course in legal history if it actually works.

        An affirmative defense in any homicide situation is pretty much a last ditch effort. In this case I would say that ditch is extremely deep.

        So, it looks like you were right and I was wrong on whether the defense would use entrapment.

        Where you were wrong is assuming anyone who didn’t agree with the entrapment defense was a bigot.

        Do you realize this? No, I doubt that very much. I simply think you are probably too parochial in your outlook to see that entrapment is a novel and fairly unlikely defense in a homicide situation.

        I frankly think you probably just haven’t been around a lot of people who think other than you. This is why you have only one line of argument, to name call and insist the other side hasn’t defended their position even when such is manifestly untrue. This leads to your need to lash out, call people bigots who dont agree with you and the dopey “sneering conservative” routine.

        Personally I think its all very funny. For a guy who seems to think his side was the big winner in the last election you sure do a lot of name calling and angry invective.

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