Need a permit to go out of business?

Part of press release from Senate Republican Office 5-14-07:

Ironic? Must Obtain Permit to Go Out of Business

Last week, Senate Democrats found one aspect of Oregon business they had forgotten to tax, fee or regulate. But don’t worry; they are working hard to remedy their error. If Senate Bill 684 receives the House’s stamp of approval and becomes law, your business will have to obtain a permit to go out of business. No aspect of life or business is safe from the watchful and caring eye of government.

  • Jerry

    These people are completely nuts. Not many of them have ever successfully run a private sector business. Plain and simple – they are anti-business, pro tax, pro control, pro government, nanny state morons.

    • Alex

      Right on Jerry! Only a Democrat would come up with such a stupid plan. I have an idea ….lets tax every stupid proposed law made by silly lgislators. What ya think?

  • beleiveitornot

    Going out of business! Prices slashed! The Oregon Senate approved a bill last Friday that would put strict limits on the going out of business sales that never truly go out of business. The bill will end endless sales.

    A Reoublican and nephew of Oregon’s former Republican governor, Vic Atiah said the the endless going out of business sales undercut legitimate business owners. He said, “it’s time to end sham sales.”

    Oregon has become a dumping ground for business’s from out of state to sell their items that have not moved in their retail stores. The state of Washington already passed a similar bill to prevent retail dumping and endless sham sales that deceive the consumer.

    And now you have the rest of the story…

    Jerry, you may have to rethink your comments..this bill is clearly pro-legitimate business.

    • Steve Plunk

      This intrusion into advertising is anything but pro-business. It is more like pro busy body.

      Oregonians know this is puffery no different than some of the commercials seen on television. The idea that we can legislate away every minor irritant we face exposes the corruption of power that infects Salem. The desire to fix everything should be tempered by the realities of the world.

      So what’s next? No 50% off sales since full retail is never really charged? No selling ’08 models in ’07? No clearance sales while ordering more of the same product?

      The legislature should just back off and accept a limit on power. If they will inject themselves into something as benign as this what else will they feel a need to “fix”?

      • David G

        What else will they need to fix? Try this:

        With all of the unemployment in Oregon, I just wonder when all of our business whiz-kids in Salem will just ban businesses from going out of business.

    • Chris

      NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Not sales!! Just think of all that perfectly good money I could have spent, but is just rotting away in my bank account.

  • John Fairplay

    Given Oregon’s strong anti-business attitude, I expect the new permit system to do land-office business, perhaps becoming State Government’s largest profit center.


    If this means those tweakers with the signs dancing on the street corners blocking my view of pedestrians about to cross will go away, I’m all for it!

  • Captain_Anon

    My guess is that this bill was brought to the floor beause a sizable number of small businesses complained that thier businesses were being hurt by other stores who were never going out of business but had false advertising that they were. some of these sales go on years. We regulate false advertising, so this seems to be an extension of that. Also, sales like this tend to be breeding grounds for the bait and switch “oh, we’re out of that item, but we’ve got this one….” which isn’t really on sale. I don’t care if we have this bill, but like i said, i bet there are many small businesses that want it for thier protection. i’m sure it’s happened more than once where a store has gone out of business because a competitor with other stores in the area had product shipped there, sold at a loss and kept the products coming in to sell at that price to put the other guy out of business. small businesses don’t like that.

  • Anonymous

    What will they do to you if you quietly sell out your inventory and close your doors? Shades of Atlas Shrugged.

  • Jerry

    The permit could be free, though, and then if the business was fraudulently closing, action could be taken. But don’t charge a small business money to actually close.

    Again, this is micromanagement by the all-seeing, all-knowing government. People should be able to figure out if a store closing is a scam or not.

    Maybe a personal finance course is in order for graduation? Oh, wait, that would be too hard for the poor, overburdened students…sorry I mentioned it…

    • Anonymous

      Actually a lot of people have been brainwashed to not think, so I doubt they could figure out if something was a scam. The personal finance course would be an excellent idea, but then you have to have teachers who know about personal finance.

    • Captain_Anon

      this thread is the first time i’ve heard about a permit to close. the news made no mention of it the other night. so i’m not sure if it’s sarcasm by the articles writer up there or if it’s true. if it’s true, i agree, they should not charge for it.

      on the other matter, i think most people don’t know if a place is going out of business or not. they see the advertisements, they get drawn in. if it’s an impulse buy, just because it’s ‘on sale,’ then they may not know the true market of that particular item and not know the prices of the switch item are not low. not everyone is an expert in wigget pricing. how many people know actual prices of furniture without actually shopping around for it? they see those guys with teh goign out of business sale, go in, see something that they are told is out of stock, buy a different dresser that was on super sale, then find out they paid more then retail at the other places. most people are so absorbed in thier life they really don’t take the time to look beyond that. foolish, yes. but happening all the time.

      i personally think your idea of a madatory personal finance class is a good idea for seniors in high school and for general requirements in college. kids are moronic with money these days. they have no idea how to manage credit, when to use it, and how it’s paid off.

  • Sassy

    This bill is just another example of what those who voted for the current members of the majority, wanted.

    I am finding that a lot of people just want to be “taken care of”. It is too difficult to take care of themselves because that takes time away from watching “Access Hollywood”.

    Unfortunately, those of us who did not vote for these individuals have to bear it until its over, and pick up the pieces in the end.

    We cannot loose hope and preserverance! Stay in the battle … and all that good stuff. And remember … “if you are not at the table, you are on the menu.” Quote from Mr. Ross, Oregonians in Action.

  • Brad

    I would have to agree, it seems there are many out there who appear to prefer an institutionalized existance, where all their needs are taken care of by the state. IMHO, if that’s what they really want, perhaps they should consider incarceration.
    As for the unfortunate consumer that gets drawn in to those less-than-reputable businesses that are forever going out of business, that’s one of the risks we all face in the marketplace. Since when is it the State’s responsibility to save those consumers from themselves? So what if they paid more than retail for their new dresser? Whose fault is that? Sure, I can sympathize with the hapless consumer, but just whose responsibility is it to make sure they spend their money wisely? The State of Oregon? I think not. It isn’t as if the businesses are forcing their customers to spend their money with them. Perhaps if the State would allow those hapless consumers to find out for themselves what happens when they spend their money foolishly, they might actually learn something from the experience.

    I wonder if Salem would feel the same way if we had a sales tax……

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