Lars Larson: Proud of the Tea Parties

I couldn’t be more proud of what America has done with the Tea Parties.

We have a President who just this week bemoaned the fact that “America is the dominant superpower” on planet earth, as this sad sack puts it, “whether we like it or not”. And, you thought back in Jimmy Carter’s day his American malaise was bad.

The fact is we have a government that just isn’t listening anymore. Americans are protesting with Tea Parties that America is taxed enough, in debt enough and has seen free enterprise put in government hands enough already and now told that we have to buy health care.

Whether we like it or not, we have to fight back against this socialist from Chicago. We have to cut the government down to size, live within our means, pay our bills, take our country back and elect a new President who is not ashamed of America’s role in world freedom.

A billion people on this planet owe their freedom to the United State. Whether Barry likes it or not”¦”Happy Tea Party” everybody!

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  • retired UO science prof

    Yeah, it’s a lot of fun being the dominant superpower. You get to have 50,000 killed in Vietnam, thousands more in the Middle East wars. You get your iconic buildings attacked by Islamist lunatics. You get to bankrupt yourself partly to support the world’s most powerful military. And you’d think those billion people would show more gratitude for their freedom, but guess what, they seem to resent us for it, an awful lot of them. Call me a sad sack. I have a nephew at the military academy. Not a pretend tough guy like Lars Larson with his concealed carry. You don’t have to like Obama to know that being the number 1 power isn’t a bed of roses, and saying so isn’t being against freedom.

    • Beetle Bailey

      Yo sad sac: GBA and if you don’t like it, you don’t like it. “Life is like an onion; you peel off one layer at a time, and sometimes you weep.”

      • retired UO science prof

        Sure, wave the flag all you like. I have one too. As the man says, “We have to cut the government down to size, live within our means, pay our bills”. When he gets his wish — going to be forced on us sooner than he thinks — we’ll have a much smaller military. We might not even be the “dominant superpower” much longer. Maybe it’s already happened. Maybe Obama will have to stop his nation-building in Iraq and Afghanistan. I hope before we go much further in building the nation of Palestine.

        • DoomBurger 103

          There is no nation of Palestine, and there never will be.

          Also, I had you in one class. I came very close to suing you for fraud. Hope you like your retirement. Too bad your kids couldn’t make it permanent. After all, we do have death with dignity in Oregon.

          • retired UO science prof

            Yes, I think I remember you, out of thousands of students at UO, over the years exactly 2 were upset enough to complain to my department head. One went back to his home in Asia, you must be the other. Are you one of the Tea Party guys that makes Lars proud? I hope not, your manners tell a lot about you.

    • Buy a clue!

      Written like a true trough feeding retired public employee.

      • retired UO science prof

        Is that all you have to say? Pathetic!

  • valley p

    “I couldn’t be more proud of what *America* has done with the Tea Parties.”

    Hate to be the one to break this, but its a tiny fraction of Americans, not America.

    “We have a President who just this week bemoaned the fact that “America is the dominant superpower” on planet earth, as this sad sack puts it…”

    (a) he didn’t “bemoan.
    (b) How many “sad sacks” accomplish in life what he has to date?

    “And, you thought back in Jimmy Carter’s day his American malaise was bad”

    As bad as Carter was, his presidency was a national walk in the park compared to GW Bush.

    “Americans are protesting with Tea Parties that America is taxed enough…”

    95% of Americans have so far had their taxes cut under Obama. Lars is probably amongst the 5% feeling the pain.

    “Whether we like it or not, we have to fight back against this socialist from Chicago. ”

    I thought he was from Kenya, but never mind that. Socialist? You apparently do not know the meaning of the term.

    “We have to cut the government down to size, live within our means, pay our bills,”

    So that means cutting SSI, Medicare, and the military, the 3 things that make up 75% of the federal budget, and raising taxes to pay the war debt back. Sounds like a winning platform.

  • David Appell

    > Americans are protesting with Tea Parties that America is taxed enough

    It’s ironic that the Tea Party members, who are primarily the older middle class, are the very ones who over the years have voted for people like Reagan, Bush the Smarter, and Bush the Dumber who are primarily responsible for all our debt. They had no problem with it then. They are blind to the real costs of these President’s military exploits, and blind to how much government spends on them.

    The T-party is exactly who got us into this mess. And NOW they’re complaining??

    • Steve Plunk

      Your misstatement is astounding for being so untrue. How could the Tea Party have been responsible for getting us here when the movement just began barely a year ago? The deficits we are facing under this administration are huge compared to the previous administration, why mislead about facts? As with your global warming hubris it seems you pick certain truths, ignore others, and general tailor your argument to fit leftist causes. You gotta do better.

      • David Appell

        > How could the Tea Party have been responsible for getting us here when the movement
        > just began barely a year ago?

        Because they are the same ones who have been voting for Republican presidents for the last 30 yrs, who are primarily responsible for the vast deficits we already have. And (Bush the Dumber) who created this recession that has necessitated the huge bailouts and social services now needed.

        • Steve Plunk

          And who voted in those Democratic controlled congresses all those years? Your lack of logic exposes your partisan gamesmanship. What about that housing collapse? Will you talk about the role Barney Frank and other Dems? I wonder if the role of government unions in California’s budget crisis will be brought up? With California in such dire straights Oregon will remain so as well.

          You and valley p are still on the blame Bush bandwagon but the reality is his deficits were much smaller than what Obama is proposing for the next decade. For some reason those opposed to the Tea Party can’t understand how we can be opposed to these much higher deficits while not being so upset about the previous ones. The answer is simple, it’s the order of magnitude and the fact we have reached a point deficits will begin to influence our economy. Libs generally don’t see the connection between Obama’s presidency and the contraction of business. Those two happened somewhat simultaneously because once it was clear Obama would likely win business confidence fell and a bunker mentality settled in. It became a self fulfilling prophecy in a way and Obama has not done anything what so ever to restore business confidence.

      • valley p

        “You and valley p are still on the blame Bush bandwagon but the reality is his deficits were much smaller than what Obama is proposing for the next decade.”

        Bush inherited a surplus and immediately turned it into a deficit. Obama inherited a huge deficit and with luck and skill may be able to shrink it back down over time. You say he has “proposed” deficits for the next decade. Nonsense. He has not proposed a decades long budget. What you are talking about are projections based on current taxing and spending and modeling for an aging population.

        “The answer is simple, it’s the order of magnitude and the fact we have reached a point deficits will begin to influence our economy. ”

        Sorry but I don’t believe you. I believe the only reason this movement has emerged is that these are democratic deficits. And you are proposing no solutions. SSI can’t be cut. Medicare can’t be cut. The wars are not to be ended. The defense department can’t be cut. And taxes can’t be raised. It does not add up to anything but continuing deficits.

        “Libs generally don’t see the connection between Obama’s presidency and the contraction of business.”

        Contraction of business? The stock market has gone nowhere but up since a few months after he was elected. The economy has been growing for over 6 months after it shrank under Bush practically back to where it was in 2000. The economy tanked long before Obama’s election. To blame him is beyond ridiculous. It is delusional.

        • Steve Plunk

          valley p, Your attempt to misdirect will not work. You talk of Bush inheriting a surplus but refuse to respond to my point that the Obama deficits will be many times larger and continue for the foreseeable future. Address the issue and quit bringing up something else.

          You can choose to not believe these huge deficits are the reason for the rise of Tea Party participation but that belief is wrong. Delude yourself all you want. I’ve learned when someone tells you their reasons it’s usually more accurate than you guessing.

          Your assessment of business growing is wrong as well. The stock market may be rising but unemployment is still high and not getting better. The lack of business confidence can be laid squarely at the feet of Obama. This administration has declared war on American business through it’s health care reform, cap and trade, union support through card check, and many other regulatory and statutory initiatives. I am a businessman and I can tell you we feel under attack.

          So from your points I can make an educated guess you see the world through the Democrat party filters. Unfortunately that is far from reality.

          • valley p

            “but refuse to respond to my point that the Obama deficits will be many times larger and continue for the foreseeable future.”

            I respond to your point in 2 ways. First, they are not “Obama deficits.” They are the deficits he inherited projected forward. Its not Obama who started 2 unfunded wars (still going on,) unsustainable tax cuts, and the surge of baby boomers about to retire. Second, they are “projected” deficits based on current policies. Over the objections of Republicans Obama appointed a deficit reduction commission that will likely recommend changes to SSI, Medicare, Military spending, and taxes that if Congress chooses to follow, will reduce future deficits, as last happened under Clinton. And your side will be there opposing this every step of the way, doing everything it can to block deficit reduction because it will inevitably include raising taxes.

            “You can choose to not believe these huge deficits are the reason for the rise of Tea Party participation but that belief is wrong.”

            My belief is based on evidence. The “Tea Party” is nothing more than a bunch of aging, mostly upper middle class conservatives, many on the receiving end of government benefits, who enabled the Bush administration’s reckless fiscal policies. Have they advocated cutting anything specific? For example unfunded Medicare Part D? No, because they are the beneficiaries. They have even argued AGAINST cuts to wasteful Medicare Advantage for the same reason. They are fine with cutting future benefits for their kids and grandkids but won’t cut their own. I don’t take them seriously. If re-elected they will continue the party.

            “Your assessment of business growing is wrong as well. The stock market may be rising but unemployment is still high and not getting better.”

            Unemployment is a lagging indicator. Businesses are now making money which is why stocks have risen. Hiring more workers has already started and will accelerate. But it will take years to re-create 10 million lost jobs. No president can make this happen overnight except through direct government hiring, which you of all people would freak out about.

            “I am a businessman and I can tell you we feel under attack.”

            Well as it so happens I am also a business man and I don’t feel under any attack. And based on the 5 billion Goldman is handing out in bonuses, I don’t think they feel attacked either. Car sales are up, shipping is up, manufacturing is up, retail is up. Tell me what sector is not going up?

            “So from your points I can make an educated guess you see the world through the Democrat party filters. Unfortunately that is far from reality. ”

            I am a member of the Democratic Party but they have not sent me any filters. I belong to the D party because it tends to favor working people, environmental quality, and civil rights. Reality is objective Steve, it is what it is. Perception of reality may not be.

  • Bob Clark

    On the spending side of the ledger, Bama is not much different than Bush 2. Bama sank another trillion dollars plus into wall street. He added another unfunded obligation with this recent healthcare blob which will expand unfunded liabilities by trillions of dollars more. Bama runs a little smoke screen by suing Goldman Sachs all the while he was giving them billions of dollars and hiring the same people associated with Bush 2’s fiscal policies (Geitner, e.g). On the national security side of the ledger, Reagan’s policies brought down the Berlin wall, freeing Poland and other eastern Europeans from the goologs of the former Soviet Union. Bama the dumber is being friendly towards the Russians just as Bush 2, and this continued Bama Bush Russian love affair is threatening the Polish people with the remergence of Russian dominance. Georgia, Krrgyzstan, and maybe the Polish leader’s plane crash. Bama is more like a commander in chump than Reagain’s commander in chief.

    Tea Party folks didn’t exactly like Bush 2. However, at least Bush 2 cut taxes whereas Bama is raising taxes in the next few years.

    I just hope the Tea party doesn’t split the fiscal conservative vote in the upcoming November elections. That would make for a rotten apple.

    • retired UO science prof

      I agree with much of what you say, especially the financial parts.

      But a major weakness of the Tea Party people is that they haven’t, so far as I can tell, begun to come to grips with the U.S. financial picture. Take social security, medicare, medicaid, the military, and you have something like 60% of the budget. Add in debt payments, and you’re up to 70%. And items 1-3 and 5 surely are going to be growing much faster than the revenues to pay for them. I don’t hear most of the Tea Party people calling for cuts to 1,2,4,5 and maybe not to 3. So where do they get the idea we can cut taxes? They can say cut the rest of the budget, but when you look at that stuff, there’s a strong constituency for most every item, even some among the Tea Party types. So then what?

      • Bad Man

        While I tend to vote Republican; I have to agree with a lot of what you have stated. Just for starters, they need to roll back retirement ages for Social Security and public employees as well. Social Security payments to foreign born seniors who have never contributed a dime to the fund need to be terminated. Medicare should have premiums based upon income, with higher income earners paying more. Also, the Social Security Disability program needs to be scaled way back and strict medical requirements met to be accepted. No more lawyers gaming the system for clients who are looking for a permanent vacation from work.

    • valley p

      “Bama sank another trillion dollars plus into wall street. ”

      Another trillion on top of what? The TARP was 750 billion. That was a Bush program that Obama and McCain voted for and Palin supported. Much of it has been paid back already. What trillion to Wallstreet did Obama add?

      “He added another unfunded obligation with this recent healthcare blob”

      Completely untrue. Its a funded obligation, not unfunded. Granted time will tell, but the CBO says the program as a whole runs a surplus.

      “Bama the dumber is being friendly towards the Russians just as Bush 2, and this continued Bama Bush Russian love affair is threatening the Polish people with the remergence of Russian dominance. ”

      Cold war is over. Put it away. Russia is no threat to take over Poland. Poland is part of NATO now.

      “Bama is more like a commander in chump than Reagain’s commander in chief.”

      Reagan conquered Grenada, lets give him his due. Obama has turned a losing situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan around. Maybe in the end we will still lose there, but for the moment we seem to be gaining.

      “Tea Party folks didn’t exactly like Bush 2. ”

      According to polls of tea party supporters they voted for Bush 2 and still hold him in high regard. I’ll bet most would have voted for him for a 3rd term over Obama if they had the chance.

      “I just hope the Tea party doesn’t split the fiscal conservative vote ”

      What “fiscal conservative” vote are you talking about? The only balanced budgets we have had in the past 28 years ave been under a Democratic president. Tea Party supporters are recipients of SSI and Medicare adn the military. Do they want any of those cut? No. They only want to cut taxes further. That is not fiscally conservative. Its fantasy island.

  • Tea’d

    I believe, if you read your facts, that the Bush admin did pass the $700 billion TARP, but Bush also passed onto Obama the balance of $350 billion (approx 1/2) at Obama’s request. The first $350 billion was released on October 3, 2008, and Congress voted to approve the release of the second $350 billion on January 15, 2009. Also, the congress was led by Democrats in 2008, as well as the congress in 2009.

    The TARP was voted into law by democrats: 172 Dem’s/91 Repubs. All of this information is on line for research.

    So it appears to me that all this blaming the Bush Administration is stupid because although Bush wanted the funds, in the beginning the majority of the Republicans did not.

    If the Democrat presidents did so good, why didn’t they make SS and Medicare solvent? Every time Bush tried to address the problem, Kennedy brought in Seniors that said “he’s taking my Medicare away”…where were Oregon’s congressional people to protect Oregon’s seniors from losing the Medicare Advantage programs. Over 1/2 of Oregon’s 400,000+ seniors are on a Medicare Advantage program…who stuck up for them in congress? No one?

    Fantasy land is where the democrats/republicans continue to spend the peoples money without regard for the expiration date of their credit card. Why is it OK to continue to borrow from China and Japan? It’s time. no matter what party is in office that excessive spending stops or they will be voted out of office. Why is that wrong? What is wrong with living within our budget? How many people are aware of duplicate spending in the government, wages paid to federal/government workers are higher than the average citizen, etc.

    Yes, many of the TEA party people are retired, and they did pay for their social security and Medicare from their paychecks. They did what the “government” required them to do, So to expect what they paid for is wrong? They didn’t get a COLA this year, did the PERS workers get one? Their health insurance went up between $50-75 per month and took the added expense out of their already $750-$1000 per month social security check. What do you want the seniors to do? live on welfare, which would cost the state even more money?

    If you don’t think taxes are going up you are sorely lied to. The Bush tax cuts go out in 2011, the marriage penally will be gone, the health insurance rates will double in Jan of 2011, the top tax rate will be almost 40%, the states will increase taxes to pay for the additional Medicaid health care patients, and everything that is purchased for medical equipment will increase. Not to mention what states taxes will increase.

    Both parties have messed up and we must quit fighting among ourselves and demand that the people we vote into office be fiscally sound and follow the constitution. The Tea Party people are not looking for a fight, they just want our elected leaders to think before they spend and that is all they are demanding.

    Read the constitution, the federal papers, and the declaration of independence. There was/is a reason people have lost their lives to protect the freedom we have in the United states. Don’t let anger and hate cloud your eyes and heart. Learn to think outside the box and quit doing the blame game…it isn’t attractive anymore.

    • retired UO science prof

      ‘What do you want the seniors to do? live on welfare, which would cost the state even more money?”

      You make the point very well. A huge contradiction in the Tea Party movement. People need the welfare state. You could say the whole thing was a mistake 75 years ago. But where does that leave us? And where would we be without it?

    • Rupert in Springfield

      >Yes, many of the TEA party people are retired, and they did pay for their social security and Medicare from their paychecks. They did what the “government” required them to do, So to expect what they paid for is wrong?

      It is very wrong, because they did not in fact pay for it.

      To expect what they paid for would be one thing. To expect to reap a windfall profit on SS/MC is quite another. That is what is going on now.

      Basically the way the system works now is those currently on SS or going to be on it very soon will get back everything they paid in in a few short years. Everything after that is gravy.

      What needs to be done is to cut back SS so that people get back what they paid in and nothing more.

      Is that wrong or evil?

      Of course not, and its a damn site better deal than those who are currently entering the work force, or those quite a ways from retirement. Both of those groups will see a negative return on SS, they wont even get back what they paid in.

      To make matters worse, those younger workers will pay in far more to SS than current retirees ever did. Tax rates for SS are far higher than today’s seniors ever dreamed of paying and extend to higher income levels than they did for current retirees.

      If you are currently working and far from retirement, SS is the single worst investment you could conceivably make for retirement.

      Think the performance of the stock market was bad?

      Even if one had only worked ten years, and picked the ten worst in peoples lifetimes, the last decade, you still would have done better if you came in at the peak and sold at the bottom in an index fund. Ten years worth of gains would have been wiped out, but that’s far better performance than SS. With SS, you put in money over a 40 – 50 working period and not only see all gains wiped out, you see a loss.

      People don’t need the welfare state and the welfare state doesnt need people. What the welfare state needs is suckers.

      Where we would be without the welfare state is people being able to invest and retire in far greater comfort than SS promises for todays workers.

      If you are currently retired – sure, you made out like a bandit on SS. However you were, and will be, the only generation to do so.

      People need SS?

      No, current retirees need SS.

      Current workers need SS like they need lung cancer. SS kills retirement for current workers and the sooner it could be done away with the better.

      For current retires SS worked out to be a nice little scam – for current workers SS is a truly evil program.

      • valley p

        “If you are currently working and far from retirement, SS is the single worst investment you could conceivably make for retirement. ”

        Of I don’t know. Investing in a Bernie Madoff fund might have been worse.

        But in any case SSI is not an “investment.” It is a tax to pay for social insurance for old age. It may or may not be an unfair tax depending on how one looks at it, but it has worked to keep old folks out of poverty.

        I’ll have a lot more respect for the Tea Party geezers however, if and when they do what Rupert suggests and start petitioning government to cut their own SSI and Medicare benefits as a down payment towards less government spending AND to save their grandchildren the interest payments on their retirement.

    • valley p

      “Bush also passed onto Obama the balance of $350 billion (approx 1/2) at Obama’s request.”

      So that leaves us still $650B short of the Trillion Bob claimed.

      “The TARP was voted into law by democrats: 172 Dem’s/91 Repubs.”

      Which made it a bipartisan bailout.

      “If the Democrat presidents did so good, why didn’t they make SS and Medicare solvent?”

      Answer is that they did. Both programs have been solvent, as in bringing in as much or more than they pay out, since they were formed. That does not guarantee solvency into the infinite future. No congress can accomplish that.

      “Over 1/2 of Oregon’s 400,000+ seniors are on a Medicare Advantage program…who stuck up for them in congress? No one?”

      That is because our Democrats in Congress are fiscally conservative. Medicare Advantage is a gross waste of taxpayer funds, and it is about time it was dealt with.

      “It’s time. no matter what party is in office that excessive spending stops or they will be voted out of office.”

      In one sentence you complain that no one in office defended your Medicare Advantage, and in the next you want to vote out those who spend excessively. Which is it friend?

      “wages paid to federal/government workers are higher than the average citizen, etc.”

      It depends on the job. Doctors working for the feds make less than doctors in private practice. Same for lawyers and most other professionals. Blue collar workers tend to make more in government than out.

      “Yes, many of the TEA party people are retired, and they did pay for their social security and Medicare from their paychecks. ”

      No they did not. The money taken from THEIR checks paid for the retirement of THEIR parents and grandparents. OUR money (current workers) is paying for YOUR retirement.

      “They didn’t get a COLA this year, did the PERS workers get one? ”

      Actually no they did not. And the reason is the same in both cases. There was no cost of living increase.

      “If you don’t think taxes are going up you are sorely lied to.”

      My paycheck stubs do not lie. I got a tax cut AFTER Obama was elected. As did 95% of Americans.

      “The Bush tax cuts go out in 2011”

      Only for those making over $250K a year. The rest will be retained. You prefer increasing debt instead?

      “The Tea Party people are not looking for a fight, they just want our elected leaders to think before they spend and that is all they are demanding. ”

      If that is all they are demanding then I would sign up with them. Unfortunately they are demanding a lot more than that.

      “Don’t let anger and hate cloud your eyes and heart.”

      Not a problem for me. I’m not mad and I don’t hate anyone. But all the surveys of tea party supporters say their primary motivation is anger.

  • After all is said and done

    “How often are we offended by not being offered something we do not want?” ~ Hoffer

    As far as #44 goes, IMO, there’s at least 2010 reasons to hang up on this boiler room sales pitcher.

  • Fie on Jason Levin and B
    • “”

      That’s fie on Jason Levin and Bill Clinton, too, folks!

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