Lars Larson on the Federal Timber Money

Last year Lane County and all the other “timber dependent” counties were out there begging for federal timber dollars. They said they couldn’t possibly get by without all that money. Finally, Congress acquiesced and put them back on the dole. So, what are they doing with them now?

The fact is none of those counties should get a dime till they start logging trees again. As long as we have the eco-free tree huggers in Oregon who refuse to allow any cutting in the forest, the money shouldn’t flow. But, Congress gave them the money.

What’s Lane County doing with it now? Well, they certainly aren’t opening up any new jail space. No, the County Commissioners (at least some of them in Lane County) have decided to hire more staff for themselves. To put more people on the public payroll. To give them those benefits that are so much better than your benefits in health, and welfare, and pension funds.

Are they opening any new jail cells? They wouldn’t hear of it. Not in Lane County. Not in a lot of counties.

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  • Pittsburgh Pete

    We’re talking about national forests, right? They don’t belong to you, Lars Larson! And you don’t make policy for the United States, or the Obama administration, or Congress. Logging is not a county option. If you don’t want the counties to get the payments, get your Congressmen to stop asking for them. Or maybe you could persuade some of those conservative counties not to take the money?

    • Anonymous

      Truthfully Pete you have been lied to

  • Rupert in Springfield

    Actually in this regard Oregon was in the vanguard.

    Although states have been put on federal welfare programs before ( the timber dollars after a certain point were welfare. The federal government lied about the basic agreement to statehood, get over it and move on ), the timber dollar program was somehow significant in that it clearly was something that should have been time limited but appeared to motivate its recipients to depend on it forever.

    This is the exact same thing we have with Obama’s devastating spending program. While or children’s future has been largely destroyed by this, the final nail will be when the states become dependant on this money and unwilling to give it up when the economy gets better.

    Of course this is the basic failure of Keynesian economics, and why it difficult to implement. In bad times people like getting the welfare money. When good times come, they are unwilling to get off their butts and earn it themselves. Thus Keynesian economics inevitably becomes little more than continuous spending, something Mr. Keynes would abhor.

    Nirvana is when liberals use the word “unsustainable” correctly. Applying it to things like continuous spending, instead of simply using it as a euphemism for anything they don’t like.

  • Chris

    Do your research on this the scope of Title III monies to the counties was limited to only spending on:
    Firewise Communties Programs
    County Search and Rescue and other emergency programs
    Development or support of Community Wildfire Protection Programs

    #1 and #3 are both programs aided at protecting and creating defensible space around communities. This in turn over time will help with controlling cost on wildfires in the Wildland Urban interface.

    It is true that we need to start cutting in our National Forests from both a fuel reduction and forest health standpoint and that is what should be funding the county payment program. Same as Oregon’s State Forests help county budgets that have large tracts of state owned forestland.

    What so many of the “unsastainable” pundits dont realize is that we are successfully thinning BLM lands in western Oregon regularly and providing money to the schools through the Oregon and California land trust the BLM handles in the Western States. The biggest stumbling block is still groups like BARK-OUT that will take any stance against logging even from he standpoint of forest ecologists seeing the value of thinning to prevent B & B complex (see Santiam Pass) type stand replacement events.

  • come again?

    Lars wrote:
    “The fact is none of those counties should get a dime till they start logging trees again.”

    Who is the “they?” The counties? Counties have no control over how much timber is logged from federal land. Its a Congressional call, subject to all the laws of the land (clean water act, endangered species act, etc…)

    A second small point is that Douglas fir timber is at its lowest price/value in 20 years, and no one can make a dime off a timber sale. You can log all you want, but there is near zero market for the product until the homebuilding industry revives. That means there is no revenue to share, even if they were logging just to please the likes of Lars.

    Rupert wrote:
    “The federal government lied about the basic agreement to statehood, get over it and move on ),”

    What agreement are you referencing? There were no Federal forest lands being managed for timber production at the time of Oregon’s statehood. None. So how could there have been an agreement to share logging proceeds?

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