Lars Larson: Running business out of Oregon

We can’t just keep running businesses out of this state.

I had the chance recently to talk with Nathan Roads. He’s a bright young guy who grew up in Lincoln County and dreamed of making a business in Oregon. He started his business, Next Generation Arms, in a garage and built it to employ five people. Their salaries range from $25,000 to $60,000 a year.

Next Generation Arms makes one of the best rifle platforms in America. Good news? No, that’s the sad part. As of last weekend it is no longer an Oregon company. He moved it to Idaho.

Roads explains the state finally beat him down with too many taxes and regulations. Now he’s taking those five family wage jobs and his fast growing company hundreds of miles from the state where he grew up to a place that is business friendly.

Meantime, the only jobs growing in Oregon are government jobs. And, government workers will be happy to tell you, every day of the year, that you or I don’t pay them nearly enough.

Anybody who can, please tell me that’s the way this state should be run.

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  • jim karlock

    I anyone keeping a list of lost businesses?

    Thanks
    JK

    • Rupert in Springfield

      I had a list of about five that I was posting here soon after measure 66/67 when people insisted business moving was a myth. Finally gave up when I realized that even producing a list of businesses that had moved didn’t seem to dissuade tax supporters from their claims that they were not.

      • dartagnan

        Businesses move into states and out of states all the time. What’s pertinent to this discussion is how many businesses have moved out of Oregon directly because of 66 and 67. So far I haven’t seen one verified case. I have seen a lot of speculation, but no case of a business proprietor saying, “I’m moving my business out of Oregon because Measure 66 and 67 force me to do it.”

        What are the “five major businesses” you’re talking about, Rupe?

        • Becky Gentilini

          Well one confirmation now is Next Generation Arms. They WERE located in Toledo and just moved to Idaho because of 66/67. These laws are going to really take a hit at the small businesses out there. My husband and I owned a pasta manufacturing business in Central Oregon for close to 20 years. We worked on a shoe-string budget, raising a family of 6. There would have been no way we could have survived if we would have had to deal with the aftermath of 66/67.

          Your confirmations will continue. Just keep your eyes open, if you dare to not be close minded.

  • Anonymous

    “Anybody who can, please tell me that’s the way this state should be run.”

    The voters have told you, the last time pretty decisively. If your message is so great — I think it has its merits — why do you keep on losing?

    • Rupert in Springfield

      It depends if you are constraining your question just to Oregon, or if you are talking in general.

      It keeps on losing in Oregon because Oregon has reached the point of no return – A large enough segment of the population has been grown to be dependent on government and that it makes any steering of the course away from feeding off others less popular. The only job growth we have here is in government, and generally if you are employed in that sector you make out better than you wold in the private sector. Add that to the welfare class, also pretty large, and you have a good chunk of the public united on ever more government spending. So that’s why dependence wins and productivity loses in Oregon.

      Nationally it is the reverse – generally pro growth, as opposed to government dependency is a winning message. Obama has been discovering this fact for the past year. Out of control government spending and stimulus is hardly a popular theme. Tying yourself to Obama policies seems like a good way to get thrown out of office. Health care was a loser. Stimulus spending, also a loser. In the midst of the largest oil spill in history people still would prefer drilling over shutting down and pretending magic will run our cars. Dependence and socialistic themes are sure fire losers nationally, thus politicians if they have that bent tend to down play it during a campaign. We have seen this in the last three presidents – Clinton lost popularity over national health care, got it back with a balanced budget. Bush, seen as pro growth, lost popularity over excessive spending and government growth. Obama, won by running against Bush spending and playing down whatever themes of socialism he believed in then lost popularity as he began to bring them, and the spending that goes with them, to the fore post election.

      So generally – In Oregon dependency wins because enough of the population is in that class. The productive will continue to be looked at to subsidize the dependent for the foreseeable future. Nationwide dependence does not have the same level constituency, therefore themes of productivity rather than dependence tend to win.

      • Paul

        I agree Rupert. I brought my job from California and have since hired one more. I am in the minority. I don’t depend on government but pay huge taxes. Too bad that Oregon is a nanny state.

      • valley p

        “I had a list of about five..”

        “About” Five? So it could have been what…3 or 4? Five whole businesses moved out due to M 66&67? Wow. That is devastating. Are you also keeping any records of how many new ones have moved in because we are well in the lower 1/2 of all states on total business taxes?

        “It keeps on losing in Oregon because Oregon has reached the point of no return – A large enough segment of the population has been grown to be dependent on government and that it makes any steering of the course away from feeding off others less popular. ”

        And better yet: “Nationally it is the reverse – generally pro growth, as opposed to government dependency is a winning message.”

        Really? Does Oregon have a larger ratio of government employees than say Alaska? Have you added up the number of farmers in North Dakota dependent on farm and ethanol subsidies? The number of southerners dependent on bloated military spending? The unemployment rates in southern states, which are the least unionized and most conservative of all states?

        And given your business demand for cheap, subsidized electricity Rupert, are you among those dependent on government? No, that couldn’t be.

        “Bush, seen as pro growth, lost popularity over excessive spending and government growth.”

        Or could it have been 2 failed wars, attempting to dismantle social security, and breaking the national economy by failing to regulate the financial industry? No, it couldn’t have been those things. It was excessive spending. That was definitely it.

        • Rupert in Springfield

          >Five whole businesses moved out due to M 66&67?

          No idiot

          Five major businesses soon after passage – That’s what I wrote.

          You would know that if you could read what you are responding to.

          A fool who screws up by not reading what he responds to has hardly more to add to the conversation than a pepper mill.

          • valley p

            Rupert actually wrote: “I had a list of about five that I was posting here soon after measure 66/67 when people insisted business moving was a myth.”

            Then he claimed he wrote: “Five major businesses soon after passage – That’s what I wrote.”

            In comparing these 2, an objective reading is that he did not say “major” in the first statement (which is what I responded to) nor did he say “soon after passage.”

            So I clearly cannot read….Rupert’s mind. I should have known what he actually meant even though he did not actually write it. My apologies.

            As for the rest, since you did not respond I’ll assume you have no information that shows Oregon has any more government dependency than anywhere else.

          • Rupert in Springfield

            Sorry idiot – What I wrote was really clear.

            “I had a list of about five that I was posting here soon after measure 66/67 ”

            You want to maintain you didn’t understand that?

            Ok, so you are admitting you are an idiot.

          • valley p

            I was supposed in infer “major” from that? Does the word “about” mean “major?” Are you inventing some sort of new language? Like Esperanto, only Ruperanto?

          • valley p

            Here is another good one for you Rupert. Federal aid per capita to states. The average is around $1500. Oregon is below average at $1468. Top 4?

            Alaska: $3552 (Go Sarah!)
            Wyoming: $3998 (Go Cheney!)
            Louisiana: $2366 (Go Bobby Jindahl!)
            Mississippi: $2545 (Go Haley Barbour)

            Man, those red states sure know how to stay off the government dole don’t they?

          • Jerry

            Dean, what is wrong with you? Your unsolicited facts and literal interpretations of other people’s words are useless here. We depend on blatant conjecture and wishful thinking here at The Catalyst. How do you not know that by now?

          • valley p

            Hah! I have figured out that facts do not matter here. I post them merely to annoy.

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  • Bob Clark

    The problem starts with the federal government. It has gotten too big and has infinite ability to print new monies. Federal monies are driving the policies of most state and local governments such that their focus is not in attracting new businesses but capturing the federal government hand outs. The federal government hand outs are politicized and lead to a whole bunch of social engineering by state and local governments.

    This is why it is important to vote Wyden out of office, replacing him with a more fiscal conservative like Huffman. Wyden, Merkley, Wu, Schrader, and Murray are just more of the same federal government out of control, distorting state and local governance.

  • surefoot

    No real Oregonian needs a Washingtonian instructing us how the state should be run! Lars you live in Washington State why don’t just keep your nose in your own state business and if Oregon is such a bad place to work why don’t you get a job in Washington and leave Oregon to the Oregonians?

    • Mary’s Opinion

      Surefoot, if you believe Lars should keep his nose out of Oregon’s business, should all the states and individuals who oppose Arizona’s new law on illegal immigration keep their nose out of Arizona’s business? I thought the name of our country was the United States of America.

    • Anonymous

      I am really sick and damn tired of the best argument against Lars being “you aren’t an Oregonian so shut up.” You know what? The President and all but seven members of Congress aren’t Oregonians, either. Neither is the entire Cabinet. Yet all those clowns in DC are dictating just about everything in our lives here in Oregon. Why don’t you Lars bashers tell all the politicians destroying Oregon (along with the rest of the country) to leave us Oregonians alone?

  • Funny

    Which taxes and regulations is he talking about?

    Next Generation Arms is a sole proprietorship, so they don’t pay any separate corporate taxes in Oregon. In Idaho, of course, the business will have to pay sales taxes on the items it purchases, which they wouldn’t in Oregon. They’ll also probably pay more in workers comp and unemployment insurance, given that Oregon has some of the lowest rates in the country. Have fun paying more in taxes, dude! At least you got your seven minutes on Lars!

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