Executive Club: Global Warming Skeptics Panel

executive club Executive Club: Global Warming Skeptics PanelExecutive Club Speaker Series
Wed. Feb 1st.,
6:30PM,
Airport Shilo Inn, Portland

For this meeting, we are delighted to feature two Executive Club regulars, noted physicist Gordon Fulks and eminent meteorologist Chuck Wiese, both prominent skeptics of the global warming panic promoted by left leaning academia and the main stream media.

The story of the battle between them and the establishment “warmers” is still unfolding, and we will hear of the reaction to the major presentation they will have made to the Oregon Meteorological Society, which is taking place this week.

Also, as an extra meeting feature our friend Jeff Kropf, in his capacity as Executive Director of The Oregon Capitol Watch Foundation, will give us a quick update on the work his organization is doing to push limited government principles in the body politic around the State. EC

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  • Bob Clark

    Last Friday’s online version of the Wall Street Journal printed a letter from 16 scientists with connections to global warming studies (including a Princeton Physics professor) entitled, “No Need to Panic About Global Warming.”  The letter cites a Nobel Prize winning physicist (Ivar Giaver) describing the evidence of global warming as anything but incontrovertible.

     The letter had this to say, “In spite of a multidecade international campaign to enforce the message that increasing amounts of the “pollutant” carbon dioxide wil destroy civilization, large numbers of scientists, many very prominent, share the opinons of Dr. Giaever.  And the number of scientific “heretics” is growing with each passing year.  The reason is a collection of stubborn scientific facts.”

    Chief among these:  “The lack of warming for more than a decade-indeed, the smaller-than-predicted warming over the 22 years since the U.N’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) began issuing projections-suggests that computer models have greatly exaggerated how much warming additional CO 2 can cause. 

    This is effectively what state meteorologist George Taylor said back in 2006 in his infamous OMSI debate presentation.  For his honesty and word of caution about CO 2 effects on climate, he got fired by the government establishment boss, Ted Kulongoski.  Unless your a braveHeart like Taylor, thou shall not say: the Emperor knows so much that is wrong.

  • Pantsonfire

    Ask Alaskans if there is global warming. Just go ahead and do that you morons.

    • 3H

      I’m not sure what you mean.   Why would Alaskans be any more knowledgeable about global warming than anyone else?

      • Pantsonfire

        Because it hit -80 F there. That’s why. They are living it.

  • Warmer

    Global warming will kill us all if we don’t take immediate action to reduce our use of fossil fuels.
    Trust me on this.

  • Chickenlittle

    Help. The sky is falling.

  • Rupert in Springfield

    The central problem is that computer models predicted we should have been warming and we have not for the past 15 years.

    Does this tell us that there is no possibility that there will be warming? No of course not.

    What it tells us is that we are unable to model and project temperature with any real accuracy given current understanding and technology.

    Since the remedy for global warming depends on knowing both if there is a problem, and how significant it is, then that ability to predict temperature is crucial. Since we now know we cannot make such predictions, we do not know the extent of the problem at the very least or if there even is a problem at the very most.

    Given those facts, the insistence on doing something now, especially of the drastic nature suggested by some, makes no logical sense. Better safe than sorry is a sound principle, but not unless the costs of safety are weighed against the threat being faced. This is why it makes sense for Israel to spend more on an air force than Tahiti.

    • JoelinPDX

      How dumb can you be Rupert. Don’t you know the global warming “experts” have announced that the absence of warming is evidence that the Earth is getting hotter.

    • valley person

      Rupert, you are like a person standing in a bay with an incoming tide trying to predict whether you will drown in one hour or 2, and refusing to get out of the water until you know for certain which it will be.

    • crabman34

      Wrong.  It is not true that there has been no warming.  The trend is still up, even if the last 15 years appear to be somewhat stable.  And you’re double wrong because there has been observed warming.  2010 was the warmest year on record, followed by 2005.  Using highly advanced deductive reasoning techniques, that means that 2010 was WARMER than 2005.

      Using climate deniers’ shameless reasoning technique, though, I could look at the trends here in Oregon from September 2011 through January 2012 and deduce that, *Gasp* the climate is cooling rapidly!  To be fair to you, I’ll assume that you are just being obtuse because you want to continue to reject climate change out of knee-jerk anti-government sentiment.  

      But, I think you know that you’re confusing short term noise with long term trends.  Short-term effects are dampening the warming trend, but the trend, the long-term data that we have observed, shows warming.  If you adjust for things like the el nino cycle (which contributed to a particularly warm 1998, skewing the trend so that you can misrepresent it), there is a clear warming trend over the last 15 years.  A smaller one, but a warming trend nonetheless.

      Read this peer-reviewed (I know you don’t trust scientists, but try) article for more: http://www.aussmc.org/documents/waiting-for-global-cooling.pdf
      What’s funny about this is that the data about the last 15 years Rupert is citing here came in part from the University of East Anglia, which you all likely recall loudly condemning during the non-controversy “ClimateGate.”  As usual, if data seems convenient for conservatives, it is incontrovertible.  If it challenges their beliefs and tightly held assumptions, it is fraud.  You can’t have it both ways, do you continue think that climate scientists around the world are fabricating data in order to gain research grants?  If so, then you don’t get to talk about data or science without justifying why your chosen information is not polluted by the same manipulations of which you accuse the CRU at East Anglia and IPCC.  If Climate Gate makes the data meaningless in “proving” climate change, it also makes the data meaningless in disproving it.

  • HBguy

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/greenhouse/post/2012/01/nasa-global-warming-caused-mostly-by-humans/1
    If NASA isn’t reliable on this, then I fear for our future moon colony and rockets to Mars.

  • Coldone

    If you think about it, we could be headed for a great cooling period.

    • HBguy

      I’ve thought about it. We’re not.

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