Lars Larson: Gun running anti-gun CA Democrat state senator

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by Lars Larson

If I drank adult beverages all evening I couldn’t make up a story as crazy as the one coming out of California about the gun running anti-gun Democrat state senator.

You really have to consider how hypocritical a person could get when you see the story about a California state senator by the name of Leland Yee. He is a Democrat who has voted over and over and over again to take away the gun rights of people in the State of California. People that he represented in the California Legislature.

And yet now the FBI has arrested him and indicted him, in which Sen. Yee promised an undercover FBI agent that he would obtain up to $2.5 million worth of illegal weapons, missiles and fully automatic weapons.

But the full on hypocrisy of Leland Yee? The Democrats have a lot to explain in this situation.

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  • Dick Winningstad

    The party of hypocrisy at it again. Democrat hypocrite working hard to make an illegal buck. Typical.

    • LulzPdx

      LOL.. right, because Republicans are more honest and introspective than Democrats, and certainly are not prone to hypocrisy themselves.

      • Ballistic45

        You don’t even want to go there in comparing Hypocrisies of Liberals and Conservatives…

        Liberals have turned Hypocrisy to into an Art Form…

        • LulzPdx

          Actually, I’m more than happy to go there. So, wrong again. Lets start with, and I mentioned it below, the Oregon GOP’s claim to protect individual rights and freedoms, and then promptly made it into a lie by coming out against gay marriage. So yes, lets go there.

          • Query answered.

            You are referring to conjugal relationships of partners being of the same sex of course?
            To wit, they may be somewhat ‘gay’ cohabitants, but ‘homosexual’ a more apt definition.

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            Blah, blah, ‘shlub’ wooley puller overer.

          • LulzPdx

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        • Your a DILROD

          This boggles the mind so much I don’t know where to start. First, Hypocrisy knows to bounds. Both parties do it and do it a lot. But let’s look at the GOP for a minute. They (you) constantly complain about illegal aliens so lets look at your last presidential nominee………The Mittster:
          ” The former Republican governor of liberal Massachusetts, Romney has been dogged by accusations that he is willing to change his positions based on polling alone β€” and on immigration, this has proven particularly true. In 2005 he favored a plan by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) that would have let immigrants stay in the country after paying a fine. Just one year later, when Republicans began whipping up an anti-immigrant frenzy to support their 2006 mid-term reelection efforts, Romney changed his position, blocked his state’s version of the DREAM Act and ordered troopers to begin cracking down on immigrants. Two years later, facing McCain in the 2008 Republican presidential primaries, Romney assaulted the plan he once supported, calling it an β€œamnesty” proposal.”

          Speaking of Mitt. Isn’t the GOP the party of “family values and the sanctity of marriage. How unusual that Mitt endorses a religion that until a 100 years or so ago endorsed multiple wives. And the previous GOP nominee McCain is on his what ????? Third/Fourth wife?

          Here’s the best one, even you might just blow a snot bubble. Sarah Palin’s grandson Tripp gets……wait for it……..GOVERNMENT PROVIDED HEALTH CARE. I’m laughing so hard I pulled something.

          • Ballistic45

            First off, you don’t know the difference between a REPUBLICAN and a Constitutional Conservative, You know, I’m one of those Bible carrying, gun toting, Potential Domestic Terrorist both you and the RINO Republicans vilify because I demand a Constitutional Government…. I didn’t vote for Romney, McCain has ruined his hero image with RINO’ism.. In short the Republican Party is a subsidiary of the Democrat Party who’s job it is to give conservatives the illusion of being represented on capital hill, to help run interference for investigations and prosecutions of Administration members.. HOW else could an Administration get away with so much illegal crap if it were not so… Of all the Congressional inquiries, hearings and investigations, NO ONE has been held accountable for anything let alone for lying to Congress, intimidating whistle-blowers and witnesses… NO ONE.. OH WAIT, YEAH, there was that ball player who lied to Congress about drug use, Yeah, HE GOT Convicted of Perjury…. So now let us go to Liberal Hypocrisies;
            We are told by Liberals NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics. BUT… Liberals demand that we judge ALL Gun Owners by the actions of a few lunatics.
            We are told by Liberals that Capital Punishment is WRONG and inhumane… BUT…. Liberals demand that Abortion is RIGHT, killing 3000+ innocent babies a Day in the most inhumane methods imaginable..
            We are told by Liberals that Christians are fairy tail believing bad people…” But… Liberals tell us Atheist and Muslims are enlightened and tolerant peace loving people even though in this day and age, Muslims behead non-believers and honor kill female relatives on a regular basis. While the Soviet Atheist view killed MILLIONS of those opposing their view…
            We are told by Liberals that Capitalism is BAD and only serves the rich.. But…. Liberals tell us that sharing the wealth is better when facts show otherwise and the RICH have grown more and the middle-class has withered on the economic vine, even while Obama has multiplied his wealth numerous times, his buddies get exemptions and bail outs…
            *************** NOW FOR A REALITY CHECK ******************
            NO liberal can deny that they are not following several Marxist plans to destroy America from within..
            It is the Liberal movement attacking the morality of this nation and calling it an alternative life styles..

            It is Liberals who attack Patriotism and the display of the American Flag on private property using City Ordnances or gated community regulations. More and more public schools are disciplining children for patriotic behavior like wearing a Tee Shirt with an American flag so as not to offend anyone..

            It is liberals who are Questioning the right of returning GI’s to enjoy the rights of Citizenship they fought for, vilifying them as Potential Domestic Terrorist.. Calling them all mentally ill…

            It is liberals attacking the free exercise of Religion mainly the Christian Religion while apparently supporting Atheism and Islam even indoctrinating our children in public schools to accept them over the practice of Christian beliefs. Who hide behind separation of church and state, a NON-Constitutional expression written in a letter not in the Constitution.. In fact the Constitution expressly says in the First Amendment; “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

            It is a Liberal President who has proclaimed it is illegal for Peaceful Citizens to gather in protest and for the redress of grievances within his view or path to be enforced by his Secret Service personnel

            All of this is in lock step with Stalins statement;
            “America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.” – Joseph Stalin

            It is liberals who are flooding our economic system with taxes to cover welfare programs, illegal alien support systems all in lock step with the The Cloward-Piven Plan.. People like Saul Alinsky and William Ayers are familiar with the strategy, as are the full complement of the Progressive Movement, including Obama and his Administration.

            It is Liberals provoking and dividing groups one against the other, Young and Old, Rich and Poor, Citizens and illegal aliens, Men and Women, Blacks and Whites, Parents and Children, States Rights over Individuals Rights…

            It is the liberals who fight against any accountability and integrity of the vote.. Fighting against voter ID, All in lock step with another Stalin Quote; “It’s not the people who vote that count. It’s the people who count the votes.” (Joseph Stalin) Which allows the vote counter greater opportunities to count illegal votes…

            It is the Liberals who are using every means possible to circumvent the Constitution, Congress and Laws passed by Congress and signed into law to shove the Socialist agenda down the throats of the governed using ever expanding Agency Regulations and Executive Orders…

            It is the Liberals who force us to send our children to foreign lands to protect oil reserves in countries that hate us while requiring us to spend our hard earned money on their oil at exorbitant prices… They do this under the name of Conservation of the Planet, evidently the Planet only contains the United States for it is here that they have locked down any increase use of our own abundant fossil fuel reserves which would keep our money home providing jobs and increased National Security.. And most of all we would not have to continue sending our kids to protect the oil of others…. All of which is also meant to increase living cost and dependence on government, fitting right in with the Cloward-Piven plan..

          • LulzPdx

            “NO liberal can deny that they are not following several Marxist plans to destroy America from within..”

            I deny it. Sorry, but you’re just spouting off paranoid conspiracy theory crap. Your whole political outlook is based on closed-loop thinking.

            As for being a Constitutional Conservative, even that is just smoke and mirrors. Unless of course being a CC means that the only rights you care about are yours and those who agree with you. Those that don’t, you really couldn’t care less. So spare us the huge lectures about individual rights and freedoms until you’re willing to to acknowledge that everyone has those rights and freedoms, not just a select few.

          • YAD

            YEA!!! What he said

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            Butt LulxPdx gotz dimpleson hers’n, doncha see?

          • LulzPdx

            >;)

          • Ballistic45

            Boy, you really don’t get it do you? You Libtards picked the best you had from all over America to represent you on Capital Hill, and they represent you VERY Well in their delusional thinking, Most lie one day and deny it the next, one hears famous dead women praising her, Harry Reid is just plain ridiculous to listen to, Obama is a World Wide Joke and habitual liar and his Lemmings still worship him.. Your comment is just so much liberal vomit, Real Conservative scare the crap out of liberals and RINO’s because we stand for Constitutional Law, and no one exempt from the law.. You president obviously does not for exempting many from HIS Obamacare or exempting illegal aliens from prosecution for exempting laws in supplying fast and furious.. Your hand picked Capital Hill representatives are their own worse enemies in showing the world the fantasy world you are all living in.. No wonder many now say Liberalism is a Mental Disorder proven everyday by a liberals own words….

          • LulzPdx

            Actually, they don’t scare me. I just feel sorry for them. I feel sorry for you.

          • Ballistic45

            What overall plan does the liberal world have for America? I mean, you know, to improve life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness type of stuff? Didn’t think you had one…….. EVERYTHING this Administration and the Liberal Lemmings that follow it have done is NOTHING to grow the middle class, get us out of debt, make us energy independent and regain hope in our lives… EVERYTHING this Administration has done has added uncertainty, loss of meaningful jobs, loss of choices and rights, adding to the cost of living, stealing the finances of generations to come.. I cannot help it if what you people are doing happens to mirror the guidelines of Communist to bring down capitalism… If it walks, talks, shits, eats, looks and smells like a Duck, I would say it has to be a friggin DUCK…

          • LulzPdx

            Yes, I have seen your plan for the country. Everyone will be just like you, and anyone who disagrees will have the crap beaten out of them. Remember your comment about the Oregon Country Fair? You talk about constitutional values, but is nothing but a lie dribbling from your mouth.

          • LulzPdx

            “We are told by Liberals that Christians are fairy tail believing bad people..”

            LOL.. Fairy tail?? Love it!!!

          • Ballistic45

            Makes you dribble down your leg doesn’t it? Glad I gave you a Liberal Climax, shows where your views are on the subject….

          • LulzPdx

            Ummm… no… but funny your mind went there. Kinda perverted don’t you think? It might be better to keep your sick fantasies to yourself. Somethings are better kept private.

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            Lick water for chocolate senorita LulzPdxRosaura
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          • LulzPdx

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          • LulzPdx

            “It is the Liberals who force us to send our children to foreign lands to
            protect oil reserves in countries that hate us while requiring us to
            spend our hard earned money on their oil at exorbitant prices…”

            Ummm… do I need to explain to you how wrong this statement is?? Who sent troops to Iraq and Afghanistan?

          • Ballistic45

            NO, you need to explain the reason behind sending out troops… Not who…. With all the new reserves of fossil fuels being discovered right under our feet, why is it less polluting to the planet to extract it somewhere else costing us more, in money, jobs and security?? Are other oil producers much less polluting when they extract their oil to sell to us? The goal of Echo-Freaks is to drive up cost of living so high that in theory we will pollute less while new technologies may or may not come on line.. And we have seen the waste of taxpayer dollars in Government support of numerous Greenie failures… Liberals have it in their mind that we cannot continue to use what we have right here in energy sources and convert at the same time to alternative energy sources… A nation that supported many allies in WWII can no longer multi-task to do both cheaply and efficiently keeping jobs and growing the economy, nah we can’t do that any more in their view… Why is it we cannot put a pipeline from newly discovered oil deposits on the Canadian/US border to the Refineries in the Gulf region, Liberals blocking it!! It is not Conservatives stopping the use of our own resources, it is not Conservatives piling on EPA regulations governing our Fossil fuel use, it is not Conservatives who blocked Nuclear Power expansion for the last 30 years, it is not Conservatives who have blocked any new refineries from being built in less storm ridden areas of America, it is not Conservatives who vilified Nuclear power while promoting Coal fired plants that has proliferated across America that now are major concern not only of so called green house gasses but Nuclear waste from Coal ash in Thorium and other radioactive elements which levels would never be tolerated at a Nuclear plant.. In is not Conservatives that have weakened our Energy Security….. Yeah, you educate me on how the bad ass Oil Companies who make less profit on a gallon gas than the government makes off the same gallon of gas in taxes.. Yeah, you tell me how Conservatives and oil tycoons profit off their creation of REAL jobs in America… Yeah, you set me straight……

          • LulzPdx

            Echo-Freaks ??? LOL.. love it!

            LOL.. feel better? Have a nice rant? Completely side-stepped the point I was making however. Take a deep breath, go back and re-read it. Get back to me when you’ve got it.

            Yes, I’ve got it, you have a simplistic world view. Liberals bad, conservatives good. Saves time and energy in not having to actually think about things.

          • Ballistic45

            And you skipped right over the very first line of my comment, how convenient….. And your assessment of my feelings of Liberals and Conservatives is also WRONG.. I was a Democrat, (Liberal) for many years as was my Parents.. But SMARTRER men than me have pointed out the changes being made within the Democrat Party… You might want to check on claims by the Communist Party USA that they are using Democrats and may soon completely take over the Democrat Party. This was back in 2010…. But I know its all conspiracy babble, kinda like Harry Reid and his claim that everyone is lying about the horror stories of lost medical treatments and such with Obamacare…

          • LulzPdx

            Yes, I’m quite certain the claims of the Communist Party are absolutely dead-spot on and not just wishful thinking and hot air. They are just as delusional as you. In fact, the two of you deserve each other.

          • LulzPdx

            “SMARTRER” LOL!! Love it!

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            LulzyBribe, an emotional gravel ceded in the groovies pathos of dose not having any life forum to witch arrive.without her schlep y hand out blather than a hand up.

          • LulzPdx

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          • LulzPdx

            “It is the Liberal movement attacking the morality of this nation and calling it an alternative life styles..”

            It’s a guilty pleasure, and I don’t want to stop: care to give me a comprehensive list of the attacks on morality? I can guess what a few of them might be, but I’d really hate to put words in your mouth.

          • LulzPdx

            Never mind, after one of your other posts I really don’t want to know about what goes on in your head. Evidently you have some really sick thoughts.

          • Ballistic45

            Tell me, Oh Enlightened One, any nation in world history that prospered from Alternative life style acceptance? Seems to me History tells a different Story… As nations accepted Paedophilia, Bestiality, Homosexuality, Necrophilia, Paraphilia and so on, that Nation began a quick slide into oblivion.
            “Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools”

            “Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.” – Saul Alinsky, he would be PROUD of you LuizPdx…. Sooo I can just bet you believe in “Common Core”, Right? You’re starting to look like that Duck we talked about!

          • LulzPdx

            LOL.. I knew you would have to include homosexuality. Well, lets work with that — seems to me that both the Ancient Greeks and Romans had civilizations that spanned hundreds of years while being tolerant of homosexuality. Their decline had nothing to do with that acceptance.

            Now, please show me any mainstream, reputable, liberal documents or statements that speak fondly, or affirmatively, of paedophilia, necrophilia or bestiality. Now you’re just making stuff up… throwing shit at the wall and hoping that it sticks.

            When you say God, you mean, of course, a christian God? How can you have freedom of religion when one religion is favored over others by the government. Why should the government be in the business of deciding religious truth anyway? Shouldn’t government be neutral on the question of religion, and let the people make up their own minds? No, I don’t think you believe that. We already know that you’re a constitutional conservative in name only… you have no respect for others who believe differently. The only rights you care about are yours, and don’t give a crap about the rights of anyone else. That is becoming abundantly clear.

            No.. I’m not a fan of Common Core.

          • Ballistic45

            Read the history of California state law SB 1172, thankfully it was blocked.. It wasn’t a Conservative idea! I didn’t say what God! You did.. “The goal of socialism is communism.”
            Vladimir Lenin – And “Crime is a product of social excess.”- Vladimir Lenin, Is he wrong?

            “Socialism is the endgame of anti-morality. When Abraham Maslow introduced the term “self actualization” in 1943, he did not foresee the paradox that the ideal of freedom from stifling
            convention would undermine moral responsibility and pave the way for socialist tyranny in
            America. Socialism obviates morality in personal choice and replaces it with the pathetic fallacy of
            virtuous government. Governments cannot be virtuous,only people and dogs can.” – Deborah C. Tyler

          • LulzPdx

            Yes, Lenin was wrong. That was easy. So is Deborah C Tyler. Throwing quotes at each other is fun, but really proves nothing. What else do ya got?

          • Ballistic45

            Well this is about as useless as listening to Harry Reid….. LOL.. Thanks for the laughs….

          • LulzPdx

            Harry Reid? Don’t sell the conversation short, it’s as useless as listening to Ted Cruz! And no, I really need to thank you πŸ™‚ It’s been like a trip down the Rabbit Hole, and it’s all because of you!

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            U being a rabbit ho’ in LulzWanderland. Your wiggling ears flag it., mad flapper.

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          • Ballistic45

            This fits you perfectly….

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            Your barfing out on a shingle, sorely implies ewe, LulzPdx, a jackass metastasizing yet another of weird Potland’s sodom-anal-cyclical pervadives. .

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            Don’t lose it, just keep pulling, perhaps to grow an inch…..

            >;~)=)

          • LulzPdx

            Huh.. you and Ballistic both seem to like to fantasize about me. Two of you should get together and compare notes. Just, ummm, please keep it private. πŸ˜‰

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            Comparing you to what? D’oh, dat?
            http://www.sonoma-marinfair.org/ugly-dog-gallery

            Geez LuzPdx pulleeze, you’d most likely win the prize paws down.

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            Whoa, you smellie!

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  • LulzPdx

    I would think that Yeland Lee has a lot to explain. However, if Yeland Lee speaks for all Democrats, or the Democrats have to answer for him, then I’ve got some real doozies coming from the Republicans.

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      LulzPdx – A Nip Nap Partisan Hack, no doubt.

      • LulzPdx

        LMAO! And you, of all people, would have a problem with partisan hackery? Hmmm… I wonder if I should hold all conservatives accountable for your lack of irony and your hypocrisy? What about it conservatives? Does . talk for you? If you don’t criticize his comment, does that mean you are incapable of criticizing conservatives? Does this mean that conservatives should rethink their policy of commenting on blogs?
        Y’all are just too funny.

        • Dick Winningstad

          Please list the conservative proponents of gun control that have been arrested for gun running.

          • LulzPdx

            ???? I’m not sure what your point is. But I can guess?
            Yes, Leland Yee is most likely guilty (although presumed innocent) of gun running. If the facts are correct, he is hypocrite and a criminal. However, that has nothing to do with the merits of the arguments, pro and con, over gun control — see the point? It is a logical fallacy that Lars is engaging in. One of many that he frequently engages in, and goes something like this:
            Leland Yee is in favor of gun control Leland Yee was illegally running guns, and therefore is a hypocrite. True so far.. it falls down here.. Leland Yee is a Democrat, therefore all Democrats are hypocrites when it come to gun control. Or.. therefore all arguments in favor of gun control are flawed. If we apply that standard across the board, then neither party gets to talk about any issue because they are silenced by the action of only one member of their party. Seems kinda stupid, huh?
            Just because there aren’t Republican hypocrites (that I know of, and lets assume fore the sake of argument that there aren’t) on this particular issue, doesn’t mean there aren’t Republican hypocrites on a great number of other issues. I find it fascinating that you want to limit to the conversation to only one particular issue. Does that mean you know that Republicans are as prone to hypocrisy as Democrats, just on different issues? Family values comes to mind.

          • Dick Winningstad

            Hmmm….. Your assumption the GOP is as hypocritical as the Dems is off. How many GOP people have been arrested for crimes while in office like the recent string of Dems? Are the GOP people perfect? No. But when the media is forced to report on Dem transgressions one can only conclude something is very amiss. And before you try to claim the media is fair, compare the coverage of the almost scandal of Gov. Christie and highway ramps to the coverage of actual scandals such as Fast and Furious, the IRS intimidation of administration critics, and Benghazi.

          • LulzPdx

            LOL.. you mean in this state, or nationwide? It ebbs and flows my friend. Sometimes it’s more Democrats than Republicans, and sometimes its more Republicans than Democrats. But, if you want to cherry pick your evidence to support your thesis, go right ahead. I seriously doubt that you could see, or would be willing to consider, contrary evidence. Want evidence? Your obvious willingness to give Christie a pass. You can’t even admit to the wrong doing of fellow Republicans. You’re just too blinded by your own ideology.

          • Dick Winningstad

            Care to supply examples?

          • LulzPdx

            You want examples of Republicans who have been arrested? LOL.. or should have been?

            Chris Christie
            Jason Priest
            Trey Radel
            Enrico Villamaino
            Bob McDonnell
            Rick Renzi

            Those are just within the last year. How far back can I go?

          • Dick Winningstad

            How many of those people have been arrested? None.

          • LulzPdx

            Check your facts again. And how embarrassing for you.

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            Urf, urf, ignoring the what’s left of US turf!

          • LulzPdx

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          • Heard of

            IRAN-CONTRA

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            Ollie, deserves laurels for that one.

            Attache’ that Mr. Heard of hearing, icky Eric beHolder, flailing about with a fast and furious schtick .

  • Jack Lord God

    Excuses excuses – Watch the dodging around on this one. Will you see Democrats take this as a time for reflection? To maybe ask if their parties position on gun control is seriously out of step with reality? If they can pause for just a second to consider the biggest gun control proponents surround themselves with guns, as Bloomberg does?

    No, you wont see any of that. Democrats will still mindlessly defend. It’s totally ridiculous. Here you have a guy that was the face of gun control in California and Democrats still cant face up to it. Pretty much just like Obama and Fast and Furious.

    Once you understand that Democrats will never question their leadership you can predict just about everything they will do.

    • LulzPdx

      Well, that’s improvement at least. No longer the left, but now Democrats. Still wrong, but an improvement.
      Why would Lee’s hypocrisy call into question support for gun control in general? That makes absolutely no sense at all.
      FYI – being for gun control does not make you anti gun. But, I also realize that you really prefer to see things in black and white terms, and can’t conceive of issues being other than that.

  • LulzPdx

    So where was Lars when the Republican Party of Oregon was making their grand statement about how they are for individual rights, and then, in the next paragraph, came out against gay marriage??? Evidently not only is the Oregon GOP hypocritical, but irony challenged as well.

    • Dick Winningstad

      Gay marriage is not real. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Been that way for a several thousand years. Only recently has this become a serious topic for left wing nuts.

      • LulzPdx

        So you believe in individual rights and freedom, except when it comes to gays having the same civil benefits as straight couples?
        Why should your particular view on gay marriage be inflicted on gay couples? What harm does it do to you or anyone else, if a gay couple gets married?
        How would you square your belief in individual freedom and liberty, and your willingness to keep gay couples as second class citizens that aren’t allowed to enjoy the same legal benefits of straight couples? That, is a perfect example of hypocrisy. Don’t like gay marriage? Then don’t get married to someone of the same sex. It is that easy.
        I see why you think the Democrats are the party of hypocrisy. You can’t recognize the hypocrisy emanating from your own side.
        Let me leave you with this: just because something has been done a certain way for thousands of years, doesn’t make it right. Slavery comes immediately to mind.

        • Ballistic45

          You idiot liberals, They can have their “Joining together” ritual for legal and Love Purposes.. Just don’t steal the Heterosexual Ceremony called “Marriage” known for meaning between a Man and a Woman for millennia and all over the world.. Are Gays so damn ignorant that they cannot come up with their own name for Their Ceremony celebrating their Love and Union? That is the REAL issue behind opposition to same sex “Marriage”.. Don’t redefine Marriage to include what it is not.. Invent a new “Word” to describe Gay unions… Have a National Conference of gays, do some brainstorming to come up with a loving name for your unions… OK…

          • LulzPdx

            No, they do not possess the same legal rights in, many instances, such as inheritance. And who cares if they call it marriage or not? Are conservatives so stupid that they think the government needs to protect their exclusively religious view of marriage? If you want to get government completely out of the whole marriage debate, then I’m happy. As long as the rules are applied to everyone.
            Why should the government be involved in the definition of the word “marriage”. So much for individual liberty and keeping government out of our lives.
            You want an example of conservative hypocrisy? Look no further than yourself.

          • don’t be a hater

            Sorry, no alternate names. Why should there be? You do know marriages licences have been used to discriminate from the beginning. At first to keep ‘them colored’ men from marrying a ‘good christian white woman’. Today it’s used against gays. Discrimination is discrimination. I can tell you feel passionately about the issue but the courts are deciding this issue and I believe you are on the wrong side of it. If you want to ‘get rid’ of the gays-tell heterosexual couple to stop having children. After all, that’s where gays come form, the union of two heterosexuals.

          • Ballistic45

            What discrimination? How many times has it have to be said on the streets, in the halls of Legislatures, in talk shows etc.. Most all people including those damn Christians agree gays have a right to legal recognition of being a couple, legal civil unions have long been supported.. I guess the legal recognition is not enough, not unless they can describe a gay union as “marriage”, what is the real priority for gays on this issue, to be legally recognized as a couple or stealing a name not previously used to describe such union…. I know you don’t get it, so that alone tells me a lot about the real priority of gays…

          • embrace acceptance

            The polls show the MAJORITY of Americans support EQUALITY in MARRIAGE. You are going against the majority which is fine. Fact is marriage equality is here to stay no matter how you or I feel about it.

          • LulzPdx

            No, quite a few christians, and I use the term loosely, are still against even civil unions. The fact that gay couples are now finding acceptance is a very new phenomenon, and certainly not due to the efforts of most conservatives. Constitutional or otherwise.

            As for “stealing a name”.. so what. Language changes and adapts all the time. My question is, why should the government protect your particular view of marriage? You can think of it however you want. Another example of what an Unconstitutional Conservative you truly are. You evidently believe that government is there to enforce your definition of marriage on others. You don’t even talk a good game, you just throw the label out there like it has meaning, and hope that no one realizes how hypocritical you, and others like you, truly are.

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            Been Gay vs Homosexual Sodomy, rubbed onto SCOTUS by ‘members’ of the 9th Circus Court of Appeals biased in San Fransicso…

          • LulzPdx

            πŸ˜‰ Just can’t get rid of those sodomy images can you. Find you think about it a lot? No wonder you’re scared.

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            Hetero or homo, sodomy remains defined in dictionary texts, that is until the gaiety crowd exceeds in redefining the abomination.

          • LulzPdx

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            Know, being scared by knife wounds wrought by your flailing about with nothing ado but making left ding liberal metastasizing a reality…conDem you LulzPdx gone awry.

        • Dick Winningstad

          It’s a matter of definition. Left is not right. Blue is not green. Marriage is between a man and a woman. You inability to know what words mean is perhaps the source of your blindness toward other liberal issues.

          • LulzPdx

            LOL.. and who gets to define what marriage means? The government? You?

            What happened to the market place of ideas? Evidently your definition of marriage is so weak and unsustainable that it has to be propped up by governmental intervention. Just one of the many hypocrisies Republicans engage in.

          • Dick Winningstad

            No, I am just going by what history and the language says, It is you that needs the government to intervene on this matter.

          • LulzPdx

            I’m not asking the government to be involved in the definition of marriage.. except as they use the term to provide legal protections and benefits.

            Language changes all the time, and just because a phrase has been used historically to define marriage, doesn’t mean it needs to stay that way. I have yet to see one concrete example of a harm that would be caused by allowing gays to marry. What harm would it cause Dick. What calamity would befall us if gay marriage was on a equal footing with straight marriage?

            You, and the other homophobes and haters, need the government to restrict the term, and enforce it’s meaning to conform with what you believe. How sad is that? What other words need to be protected from change? Maybe you’d like to create a Department of Acceptable Definitions. Arrest people if they use them incorrectly. Make it a federal crime and a felony.

          • Dick Winningstad

            Of course you are asking the government to intervene. The left is using the judiciary to overturn votes on the preservation of marriage. The force of the government is being used to enforce your broadened definition of marriage.
            The hate of the left is coming out in your last paragraph too. I departed form the left in part due to its intolerance.

          • LulzPdx

            Because the government is not treating all citizens equally before the law. It is granting special benefits to one group, straight couples, over another, gay couples, with out any compelling reason to do. And, the courts are frequently used to redress the grievances of the minority against the majority. Our constitutional system was designed, in part, to prevent the tyranny of the majority.

          • Dick Winningstad

            Blue is not green.

          • LulzPdx

            Very good. But they are both colors, and one color is not better than the other.

        • Dick Winningstad

          Marriage is a union between a man and a woman. Been that way for thousands of years. Even the Roman Republic could not change it. And yes I believe in rights not the redefinition of marriage. Go the civil union route if you must.

          • LulzPdx

            So, you are comfortable with separate but equal.

            You have yet to present a satisfactory reason as to why they should be separate. Except to claim historical precedent.

        • Dick Winningstad

          Slavery was the oppression of an individual by another for, essentially, free labor. How does that equate to a choice to redefine marriage?

          • LulzPdx

            You have implied that because marriage has been defined as a union between a man and a woman for thousands of years, the length of time of that definition adds weight to your view. I’m pointing out the fallacy in your logic. Just because something has thought of as being right for thousands of years, doesn’t mean it is right.

  • Ardbeg Again

    Lars-who loves to talk all things mocho, you can’t get through 30 minutes of his show without him bragging about 1) smoking cigars 2) the fact that he has a conceal carry permit 3) he is a ‘Hunter’ and now his latest 4) how he is some sort of a bow hunter lol. So Lars, next time your at a GOP national event, just try getting in with your favorite carry gun. They won’t let you within 20 feet of the door if you have a gun. How is that for hypocritical? The second amendment loving republicans won’t let you in if you have a gun. Too funny.

    • Dick Winningstad

      Attacking the messenger? No valid points to make eh?

      • LulzPdx

        LOL.. you can’t see the point? Really? I think the point about no guns at a GOP national event is pretty good, don’t you?

      • Ardbeg

        Hey DICK, yes I believe Lars is a nimrod but I do believe I did make a point concerning the party of “GUNS GOD and GAYS”. That being the irony of the GOP not allowing guns at their events. Also, a little creepy, the amount of rain we are having and the fact the movie ‘Noah” comes out today,

        • .

          Ardbeg-slurpee, besotted on his favored ambrosia, jackass perusal.
          So said, his single malted mindedness bestows some accolade, but not what he airs from his anal pouched agility.

  • Ballistic45

    “Do as I say, not as I do”, sound familiar?

    • LulzPdx

      YES! There is hope for you. I’m glad you can recognize that flaw in your personality.

      • .

        Your *itch pipe notably off key. Suggest you gargle with a Preparation in the key of “H” analogous one.

        • LulzPdx

          Do I annoy you? Good. Each time you post it makes me feel go to know I’m getting under your skin.

          • Ballistic45

            “makes me feel go to know”? LOL, Sheeet You’re funny…. “Do I annoy you”? Yeah, about the same as the smell of a Fart, then I remember you both come from the same Place… LOLOTF…

          • LulzPdx

            WOW! LOL.. good one. Takes me back to junior high. I love it when people channel their inner 13 year old.

            Oh, and you’re right, should have caught the typo. You are willing to be held to the same standard, yes?

          • .

            A Ridgemont jubilant High, so goes LulzPdxPartease.

          • LulzPdx

            πŸ˜‰

          • .

            What’s under your skin LulzPdx, ‘peers a prime example of mad cow personalities. If only you cud improve yourself, butt that’s not likely to happen so long as you stay kaput in the animal farm feed lot that mooves you so.

          • LulzPdx

            πŸ˜‰

      • Ballistic45

        I love listening to a Narcissist arguing with himself, keep it up, LOL, I LOVE IT!!!!

        • buyadictionary

          I don’t think you understand the definition of that word

          • .

            Narcissist or Narcissa, what does it bladder WebsterOne?

        • LulzPdx

          I’m sure you do. I’ve already come to the conclusion that you are in love with your own voice, since are are unwilling to listen to anyone else. πŸ™‚

          Peace and love baby, peace and love.

  • HBguy

    Idaho Republican Senator Larry Craig (you know about him right?)

    Florida Congressman Trey Radel (Cocaine arrest)

    Montana Republican State Sen. Jason Priest: Last month Arrested for domestic violence (Priest was elected in 2010 to a four-year term and is the chairman of the Senate Public Health, Welfare and Safety Committee – of all things)

    Stuff like this happens. I don’t think it’s a matter of being an R or a D. Its a matter of human nature. Some people are not good.

    Lars’ post has no value.

    • LulzPdx

      Nice try, but spitting into the wind. Many of the conservatives on this site have a hard time differentiating between personal failings and political failings. When it is a Democrat, the personal failing is also a political failing; when it’s a Republican, the personal failing is separate from their politics.
      But lets be sure to add David Vitter to the list. Mr. Family Values got caught visiting a prostitute in D.C. What did the Republicans do to him? Oh, nothing. Why does he get to prattle on about values, and not a word out of the Republicans?

    • GOP Losers

      Using the services of a prostitute, same sex relation with a staffer or aide, taking money from corporations and screwing over the poor/middle class is all fine with the GOP. Food stamps for a disabled child? CUT IT! The little bugger needs to go get a minimum wage job!!!!! Oh wait; there are no minimum wage jobs!

      It amazes me the states (conservative) who complain the most are the RED States who get the most government money. The hypocrisy of the right amazes me. They rail and rail about immigration yet won’t fund the the money for boarder patrols or the ATF. And they won’t approve the presidential nominees to head these organizations. So no leadership, no money and they then complain about what a piss-poor job they do. Every conservative congressmen/senator needs to be replaced by someone with a BRAIN!!!

      • .

        Dude, you’re so crude not even Kanye West in tune with Jeremiah Wright could find words to refine you.

        • GOP needs a soul

          I’m crude? Coming from you that’s laughable. Am I wrong? Do not the southern conservative states take the most federal money? For every dollar they pay in taxes they get back how much?? Conservative states are leaches. They whine and complain about social programs all the while sucking every penny they can from the Federal Government. Talk about hypocrites. The Bible Belt has the highest rate of divorce. Is this not true? Will you respond with an actual reply or your usual blather that makes sense to only you?

          • .

            You’re jockeying on a track where you can ‘show’ your best, THE PREVARICATOR CUP…Most notable winner, wiener, diviner, William Jefferson Clinton in a ‘rumble in the jumble’ over Barack Hussein Obama.

          • getalife

            Do you have a counter argument about my statements concerning conservative states? Your replies (per usual) make absolutely sense.

          • .

            S’much jackass yours, shillgrim? What a maroon candidate, getalife, for a Warmer Bros whipped willy Peyote cartoonshism.

          • LulzPdx

            πŸ˜‰

          • .

            Your Lick’m Adrenal charade re-casts doubts upon on urinal investigative Grey Poupon cedes.

          • .

            LulzPdx, aka, symbawleer fore Bud Clark’s savoring of Penalope cLark’s “titz up” “Scheherazade” to the den Chief of Pleesze gimme sum slake; weird Potland’s popularazi polling chef d’oh ball of police; Mesdames La Fart-out age ack!!!~knowledged ‘call grill’ Bent-Over to entourage more ewes to shave their hides an’ michael moore of US, Potter boiled into grief and taken for bribe, vaunts and for small falsies.

          • LulzPdx

            πŸ˜‰

    • .

      Snore does your hole post of values revealing a mined set of tunnels with nothing to say slurry about.

  • Abely Inspired

    Lars, love him or berate him, I cannot imagine US without him.
    He’s a godsend messenger in time (and tomes) of need.

    IMO, although I quit smoking years ago, I’d still light a cigar and use it as a fusee to light any firecracker under of which most jackass-inclined DEMs of today, fruitlessly fly in the face of common sense and continue to supplicate to routinely and smelly insane New World Odorism.

    “Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.” ~ Abraham Lincoln

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