Dems wrestle with God

by NW Spotlight

Dems only add God and Jerusalem back into their platform after criticism from Mitt Romney and Republicans

The Democrats, meeting in Charlotte, N.C, for their Democratic National Convention this week, voted to remove God from their party platform and to remove the declaration that Jerusalem “is and will remain the capital of Israel.”

After Mitt Romney criticized Democrats as a party “veering further and further away into an extreme wing that Americans don’t recognize”, ABC reports that “Obama intervened directly to get the language changed both on Jerusalem and to reinstate God in the platform.”

That led to what the Huffington Post calls “an embarrassing moment” for the Democrats. A voice vote had to be called three times to add God back to the platform and to declare that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. The Huffington Post then reports “Even though the no’s were again as loud if not louder than the aye’s on the third vote, [the Convention Chair] said he had determined that two thirds of those present had voted in favor. Boos filled the arena in response.”

Video of the three votes from the Huffington Post:

 

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  • 3H

    It’s really a shame that the Democrats caved. Presumably the President of the United States represents everyone regardless of their religious affiliation (or lack thereof). It’s even more disheartening to see religious and cultural bigotry made so explicit.

    • valley person

      Its the type of symbolic bullshit that is not worth fighting about. God…Jerusalem….whatever. Stick it in there and be done with it.

      I mean it isn’t like God is going to come down from the heavens and pick a party to back. And it isn’t like Jewish people are going to give a fig one way or the other. Just move on with it.

  • Judahlevi

    The Dems will do or say anything for votes. Their true position is that the only G-d they want to talk about is Obama. Obama is also one of the worst presidents we have had in his ‘support’ of the only other democracy in the Middle East.
    Nonetheless, when challenged on it, they changed the language for the sole purpose of hanging onto a few votes.
    Their principles are wherever the winds are blowing.

    • 3H

      Unlike the Republicans who are upfront with their hatred and dismissal of all other religions other than Christianity?

    • valley person

      Israel isn’t so much a de-mocracy as it is an electoral the-ocracy. And in this respect it isn’t unique in the Middle east. Egyptians just elected the Muslim Brotherhood after all.

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  • Rupert in Springfield

    This is chaos. You would think four years into an administration they could get their act together just a little bit on the Jerusalem issue. Jay Carney fumbling over this question back in July at a press conference was painfully awkward. To still be in fumble mode on this, at this stage of the game and with the very serious ramifications this question has, shows its amateur hour at the DNC.

    I can think of no more clear signal to green light Iran than this idiocy. If you cannot decide on the capital of an ally, how much do you in fact support that ally? Is the Obama administration aware how bad this looks? Obviously not. If they were they would have cleaned this little mess up months ago with the Carney fumble.

    Absolutely pathetic.

    • valley person

      Green light Iran to do what?

      • Rupert in Springfield

        You did not just say that did you? OK – You just totally blew me away with that one.

        Google Iran and Israel. Read up on current events with the two countries. This is really basic stuff you should know before commenting here.

        • valley person

          I repeat, green light to do what?

          • redenoughofvp’smentality

            eat **it monsewer!

          • Rupert in Springfield

            Oh my God, you really are totally unaware of what Iran has been threatening aren’t you? All I can say is wow.

          • DavidAppell

            He seems quite aware…. Why don’t you simply answer his question?

          • Rupert in Springfield

            Because I expect someone to bring a minimal level of intelligence to a conversation in order to take part in it.

            Clearly Dean is unaware that Iran and Israel are in a showdown over Iran’s nuclear program, and that US relations with Israel are in horrendous shape because the Obama administration has refused to give what have been referred to as clear red lines by Israel.

            Why get into a discussion about foreign policy with someone who is clearly ignorant of one of the major foreign policy issues of the past several years?

          • DavidAppell

            Rupert: VP is toying with you.

          • valley person

            Green light for Iran to do what exactly? Be specific. What do you think Obama is telling Iran it is fine with him to do?

            And David is right…I am toying with you. It beats the hell out of Dungeons and Dragons.

  • valley person

    We all know Republicans are the party of God. I mean, we Democrats can’t compete. You have Pat Robertson, who calls hurricanes on cities, Jerry Falwell, who hated gay people, and you have all the people left who think evolution is just a theory. Clearly, God is on your side. We give up. .

    • DavidAppell

      Plus, god means man can’t alter the climate. Rep. Joel Shimkus (R-IL):

      “I believe that’s the infallible word of God, and that’s the way it’s going to be for his creation,” he added. “The Earth will end only when God declares it’s time to be over. Man will not destroy this Earth. This Earth will not be destroyed by a Flood. I do believe that God’s word is infallible, unchanging, perfect.”
      He also said the cap and trade legislation, which he says is the “largest assault on democracy and freedom in this country that I’ve ever experienced,” would hurt plant life by reducing the amount of carbon dioxide in the air.
      “It’s plant food,” Shimkus said. “So if we decrease the use of carbon dioxide, are we not taking away plant food from the atmosphere?… So all our good intentions could be for naught. In fact, we could be doing just the opposite of what the people who want to save the world are saying.”https://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/11/god-global-warming-congressman-energy/

  • Judahlevi

    Some Jews do care about whether or not the US political platforms will mention that Jerusalem is the eternal capital of Israel. It is embarrasing for the Dems to take it out, and even worse that they could not come to an agreement about putting it back in.
    Also, with Obama mentioned 141 times in the Democratic platform and G-d is not mentioned once, this is very revealing of the Dems values.
    They should have been honest and left both issues out of the platform. Everyone knows the Dems could care less about G-d or Israel. The only thing they do care about is growing government, raising taxes, and spending money they don’t have.

    • DavidAppell

      Many Americans do not believe in a “god” or any “gods,” and see no reason whatsoever to infuse it into politics. In fact, they find it distasteful to use one’s supernatural beliefs as a cudgel.

      And not everyone agrees with how Israel is treating the Palestinians.

    • Rupert in Springfield

      Look, whether one believes in God or not, or wants a deity mentioned is not the point. The real question is – if mention of God is going to send you into a tizzy, what the hell you are doing getting involved in government when our entire system is founded on a belief in a deity?

      With the Jerusalem fiasco one really has to wonder if this was not purposefully done to let Iran know that we will not support Israel as vigorously as in the past.

      It is about as clear a signal as one could send to Iran, and still cover the bases on possibly winning the election.

      • DavidAppell

        That’s right: Americans who see no evidence or need for god(s) should just shut up and accept the supernatural beliefs of some men over 200 years ago before we knew all the science we do today, and the even less informed supernatural beliefs of “believers” today who don’t understand science, instead of expressing their philosophies and seeking to have a government that does not pick sides on the spectrum of beliefs and keeps their nose out of the beliefs of everyone equally.

        Should I even bother to point out that the Jerusalem conflict is a result of just such irrational beliefs and lack of tolerance?

        • valley person

          Imagine Thoma Jefferson or Ben Franklin living in today’s world. The evidence for a supreme, all knowing, all powerful, interventionist Deity? Not so much.

      • valley person

        Our entire government is founded on belief in a deity? You mean when I call 911 and report a fire, the fire fighters kiss the rosary before they respond? Or what?

        You people (conservatives) are in serious danger of actually believing you have some special relationship with God. Not just as individuals, but as a political movement.

        Hint. You don’t. If you did He would not have brought you George Bush, John McCain, and now Mitt Romney to either (a) screw things up or (b and c) lose elections. .

      • 3H

        What about the opposite… what does it say about the Romney campaign because they went into a tizzy because God wasn’t mentioned?

  • Oregon Engineer

    Politically speaking the Dem party ignoring the Jewish Vote would be at the party’s own peril. Think Florida. Most vote Dem. don’t know how God was added to the platform but again at their own peril. think democrat Southern baptist and catholic. Those of you who don’t believe are a small minority in the US and even smaller on a world scale.

    • DavidAppell

      “The rise of atheism in America,” The Week, 4/13/12
      https://theweek.com/article/index/226625/the-rise-of-atheism-in-america

    • valley person

      Politically speaking about 70% of American Jews consistently vote Democratic. And they vote this way in part because Democrats don’t go around claiming they are the party of the Christian version of God.

      Any God worth worshiping wouldn’t pick the party that wants to take money and benefits away from poor people in any case.